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so you can see the maps, I wander why I can't....
I havn't proposed the left bank of the Tisa/Tisza river as the first tipe of core for the posibility or creating hungary by romania after a victorious romania, for the same reason Rom doesn't have transilvania as first core. I inted to make the first cores unclaimed by any other nation so that the country can be created without problems
I repeat
1st cores: are the ones required for a nation to be released (so it is best that other nation don't have cores there
2nd cores, are the normal cores with ethnic majority/aprooval
3rd cores are the extreme cores for revisionist/impreialist/expansionist countrries that would be recived via events in certain situations
so it's not somthing like "I don't realize that Debrecen and Békéscsaba do not belong to Hun but I try to make the best from the game engine
I havn't proposed the left bank of the Tisa/Tisza river as the first tipe of core for the posibility or creating hungary by romania after a victorious romania, for the same reason Rom doesn't have transilvania as first core. I inted to make the first cores unclaimed by any other nation so that the country can be created without problems
I repeat
1st cores: are the ones required for a nation to be released (so it is best that other nation don't have cores there
2nd cores, are the normal cores with ethnic majority/aprooval
3rd cores are the extreme cores for revisionist/impreialist/expansionist countrries that would be recived via events in certain situations
so it's not somthing like "I don't realize that Debrecen and Békéscsaba do not belong to Hun but I try to make the best from the game engine
Vladimir II said:
I'm on it, but a bit slowed down
Tomorrow I'll have my birthday, but I think I can send them to you on weekend 
About those claims, nations should only claim areas which actually do have a certain percentage of their national populace.
-Greece cannot claim Istanbul and the Turkish coast, because the Greek populace lived there, was expelled after the Greek-Turkish war. Although this area is a part of greater Greece.
-Bulgaria shouldn't have a claim on Dobrudja (No matter if it is a part of greater Bulgaria).
-I don't really know about the Serbian claims on Greece. On one side they deserve to have them, since Bulgaria and Greece also do claim whole Macedonia. On the other hand, they don't because the area is not something what I would call Serb.
-I cant agree with the Hungarian claims on Croatia and those on the south. Hungary should only have claims on Transylvania, Slovakia and Novi Sad.
-I cant really see why Romania should have claims on the area west of its borders, since they already have the territory of greater Romania. The only area they should claim is Constanta and maybe Transromania should be added, after Barbarossa has begun.
-Greece cannot claim Istanbul and the Turkish coast, because the Greek populace lived there, was expelled after the Greek-Turkish war. Although this area is a part of greater Greece.
-Bulgaria shouldn't have a claim on Dobrudja (No matter if it is a part of greater Bulgaria).
-I don't really know about the Serbian claims on Greece. On one side they deserve to have them, since Bulgaria and Greece also do claim whole Macedonia. On the other hand, they don't because the area is not something what I would call Serb.
-I cant agree with the Hungarian claims on Croatia and those on the south. Hungary should only have claims on Transylvania, Slovakia and Novi Sad.
-I cant really see why Romania should have claims on the area west of its borders, since they already have the territory of greater Romania. The only area they should claim is Constanta and maybe Transromania should be added, after Barbarossa has begun.
Err...Constanta is Romanian from the start.ROMANU said that the lightest colour represents ultranationalist claims,as e.g.Croats wouldn't accept to be a part of a greater Serbia or Hungary.
Delex said:
Bulgaria should have claims on South Dobrudja (province Constanta in the HoI2 vanilla)
delex the tird tipe of cores won't apear from the start, but in the possibility of an expansionist nation
-if Greece joins the axis they can try to rebuilt their nation, or, why not on their own in a war against turkey, also at the Neu Europa conference a Germany without hitler may try to solve as many territorial problems as they can to avoid wars in Europe, so they can provide greece witn lands in turkey in exchange for the Pindus principality and the italian island possitions
- dobrodgea is a claim of bulgaria, in 2000 the population is in majority romanian because in 1877, when Rom recived it began a strong colonisation policy, in 36 (I am not shure) but romanians were still in minority, and if not, concentred in Constanta and Tulcea leaving the rest to turks tatars, bulgarians and russians/ucrainians (it will gain claims there, for examne, in an alliance against Romania in august 1940)
-that part of greece is part of "greater macedonia" and as bulgaria, greece and serbs want macedonia, they should have claims in the whole of it, also it would create a nice beligerant climate there, as it historically was...
-yes, maybe Hun shouldn't have claims on Croatia but just Karlovac and Zagreb as the rest is part of the Hungarian kingdom, wich many want it rebuild, I myself know 2 guys in hungarian far right movements... I don't know much Hungarians :rofl:
-the actual borders between Rom and Hungary were made by the allies at the Trianon conference regarding just ethinc distribution (with little spoils for Romania ) in any case the prewar contract between Rom and the Allies said that Romania would recive all the territory between the Carpathians and the Tis(z)a river also the Banat wich was promised to the Serbs too :rofl: . The separate peace at Bucharest and Willson's ideas modified the result...
But the territory is still claimed by richt movements in romania as some kind of "LebensRaum"... in any case there IS a small Romanian population there
+the region will be part of the spoils in a victorious august 1940 war
to Great Duck
I don't really know the national ideology of croatians so I can't make the third cores, maybe the 41-44 borders? in any case I think you know better so you do it
about the map not loading, please give me a good image hosting site as I can't see any of my maps... delex has seen the map of romania so I think is not my foult. (I use imageshack)
-edit- from my opinion Constanta is not one of the national provinces of romania. in 1877 Russia forced the exchange of south Bessarabia(Ismail, in game) with Dobrodgea to Rom. Economically it was a great exchange, but not ideological... in over 80 years of colonisation and romanisation the province is mostly pacified but is NOT one of the Romania's national cores ( Romanian's lands are between Tisa Danume and Nister rivers). regarding the games engine, an anexed Romania by bulgaria can be created with BUL keeping it's spoils
-if Greece joins the axis they can try to rebuilt their nation, or, why not on their own in a war against turkey, also at the Neu Europa conference a Germany without hitler may try to solve as many territorial problems as they can to avoid wars in Europe, so they can provide greece witn lands in turkey in exchange for the Pindus principality and the italian island possitions
- dobrodgea is a claim of bulgaria, in 2000 the population is in majority romanian because in 1877, when Rom recived it began a strong colonisation policy, in 36 (I am not shure) but romanians were still in minority, and if not, concentred in Constanta and Tulcea leaving the rest to turks tatars, bulgarians and russians/ucrainians (it will gain claims there, for examne, in an alliance against Romania in august 1940)
-that part of greece is part of "greater macedonia" and as bulgaria, greece and serbs want macedonia, they should have claims in the whole of it, also it would create a nice beligerant climate there, as it historically was...
-yes, maybe Hun shouldn't have claims on Croatia but just Karlovac and Zagreb as the rest is part of the Hungarian kingdom, wich many want it rebuild, I myself know 2 guys in hungarian far right movements... I don't know much Hungarians :rofl:
-the actual borders between Rom and Hungary were made by the allies at the Trianon conference regarding just ethinc distribution (with little spoils for Romania
) in any case the prewar contract between Rom and the Allies said that Romania would recive all the territory between the Carpathians and the Tis(z)a river also the Banat wich was promised to the Serbs too :rofl: . The separate peace at Bucharest and Willson's ideas modified the result...But the territory is still claimed by richt movements in romania as some kind of "LebensRaum"... in any case there IS a small Romanian population there
+the region will be part of the spoils in a victorious august 1940 war
to Great Duck
I don't really know the national ideology of croatians so I can't make the third cores, maybe the 41-44 borders? in any case I think you know better
so you do it about the map not loading, please give me a good image hosting site as I can't see any of my maps... delex has seen the map of romania so I think is not my foult. (I use imageshack)
-edit- from my opinion Constanta is not one of the national provinces of romania. in 1877 Russia forced the exchange of south Bessarabia(Ismail, in game) with Dobrodgea to Rom. Economically it was a great exchange, but not ideological... in over 80 years of colonisation and romanisation the province is mostly pacified
but is NOT one of the Romania's national cores ( Romanian's lands are between Tisa Danume and Nister rivers). regarding the games engine, an anexed Romania by bulgaria can be created with BUL keeping it's spoils
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I have some better structured maps here:
And did anyone notice my river proposal?
EDIT: I could have added Bor and Tetovo to Romanian and Greek claims.
And did anyone notice my river proposal?
EDIT: I could have added Bor and Tetovo to Romanian and Greek claims.
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question to all
if you liberate macedonia which cores you give them ?
Vladimir i couldnt find any instruction to move on so next events? or pic
if you liberate macedonia which cores you give them ?
Vladimir i couldnt find any instruction to move on
so next events? or pic
Skoplje and Štip required. Tetovo, Gorna Džumaja, Thessaloniki, Komotini, Kozani as extras.
For Pindus: Metsovo required. Larissa, Kozani and possibly Thessaloniki as extras.
ROMANU: Actually N Dobrogea (ours) had a Ro majority in 1877, because Wallachia had kept it for a significant amount of time, and because the slavic speaking populations tended to settle towards Varna-Burgas area in the Principality of Karvuna in the early 2nd millenium.. It was the Cadrilater that was taken as an extra compensation besides the original Silistra town claim only in 1913, that had a Bg/Tk/Tr majority.
For Pindus: Metsovo required. Larissa, Kozani and possibly Thessaloniki as extras.
ROMANU: Actually N Dobrogea (ours) had a Ro majority in 1877, because Wallachia had kept it for a significant amount of time, and because the slavic speaking populations tended to settle towards Varna-Burgas area in the Principality of Karvuna in the early 2nd millenium.. It was the Cadrilater that was taken as an extra compensation besides the original Silistra town claim only in 1913, that had a Bg/Tk/Tr majority.
I have few corrections to both Crush3r's and ROMANU's posted material:
1. Greece does not have claims on YUG Macedonia, and those claims newer existed (even in Venizelos's claims YUG-GRE border was unquestionable). Same rules for Serbia and YUG - no claims in Greece; I added it unintentionally, but later I remembered.
2. Bulgaria does not have claims on Thessaloniki and Pirot, those were territories only occupied by bulgaria, but without their population.
3. Serbia's cores No. 2 should also be - Bihać, Travnik, Banja Luka and Knin.
Milanchos, I told you, Ilic and Mikron, and descriptions for pact of friendship YUG-ITA YUG-NATO and YUG-BRD all post 1951.
1. Greece does not have claims on YUG Macedonia, and those claims newer existed (even in Venizelos's claims YUG-GRE border was unquestionable). Same rules for Serbia and YUG - no claims in Greece; I added it unintentionally, but later I remembered.
2. Bulgaria does not have claims on Thessaloniki and Pirot, those were territories only occupied by bulgaria, but without their population.
3. Serbia's cores No. 2 should also be - Bihać, Travnik, Banja Luka and Knin.
Milanchos, I told you, Ilic and Mikron, and descriptions for pact of friendship YUG-ITA YUG-NATO and YUG-BRD all post 1951.
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Vladimir II: Thats fine I'm glad I could contribute.. and I will further.
Hmmm I see, I should have mentioned it but I was talking mostly about the pre-war period of CZE while you were pointing out the post WWII period right? After the war the Czech agenda got weary because of the Slovak independence. But alas.. it continued and sadly it still is today. Its a sad reality that a vast amounts of books sold in Slovakia are actually in Czech and so are nearly all the games. Not talking about the czech dabbing of movies on commercial channels. But people are just ignorant and dumbed down by all this cheap western s**t which penetrated our living rooms.. and they just don't care. Its really sad that this stealing of our national identity was and is hidden under this "strong brotherhood" between our nations. Our national anthem is about waking up.. but Slovaks cant seem to wake up and unite after all these years *sighs*.
Crush3r: Roumania - Uzhorod? Well ok, I know that after the declaration of Rusyn independence in 1939.. Voloshyn sent an acute dispatch to Roumania asking for a militarily occupation of the country to prevent the fall in the hands of Hungary(a new event perchance?). But it went unanswered and Hungarians rolled in and it was a R.I.P for Ruthenia and Ruthenians who were later assimilated by Ukrainians after the WW.
Hungary - I too wonder why are Debrecen and Bekescsaba not core provinces for Hungary.
Vladimir II: Thats fine I'm glad I could contribute.. and I will further.
Hmmm I see, I should have mentioned it but I was talking mostly about the pre-war period of CZE while you were pointing out the post WWII period right? After the war the Czech agenda got weary because of the Slovak independence. But alas.. it continued and sadly it still is today. Its a sad reality that a vast amounts of books sold in Slovakia are actually in Czech and so are nearly all the games. Not talking about the czech dabbing of movies on commercial channels. But people are just ignorant and dumbed down by all this cheap western s**t which penetrated our living rooms.. and they just don't care. Its really sad that this stealing of our national identity was and is hidden under this "strong brotherhood" between our nations. Our national anthem is about waking up.. but Slovaks cant seem to wake up and unite after all these years *sighs*.
Crush3r: Roumania - Uzhorod? Well ok, I know that after the declaration of Rusyn independence in 1939.. Voloshyn sent an acute dispatch to Roumania asking for a militarily occupation of the country to prevent the fall in the hands of Hungary(a new event perchance?). But it went unanswered and Hungarians rolled in and it was a R.I.P for Ruthenia and Ruthenians who were later assimilated by Ukrainians after the WW.
Hungary - I too wonder why are Debrecen and Bekescsaba not core provinces for Hungary.
I made a correction about Hungarian claims:
Dark green: core
Medium green: Provinces which has a major Hungarian population (basicly it means, if the player control those provinces it will have 0% revoltrisk)
Light green: Hungarian kingdom restored (if it's possible to have claims on that lands with revoltrisk, it would be great. So if Hungary controls full Slovakia, the Slovakian majority places would have revolt.)
Very light green: Union with Croatia-Slavonia (not really necesary to put this claims on, coz despite Hungarians like to show great hungarian maps on they cars (with Croatia-Slavonia included) no one really want to put back Croatia-Slavonia to Hungary, as we consider Croatians to our friends, and in Croatia there's since no Hungarians... in 1910 there were 121000 Hungarians lived in Croatia-Slavonia)
Dark green: core
Medium green: Provinces which has a major Hungarian population (basicly it means, if the player control those provinces it will have 0% revoltrisk)
Light green: Hungarian kingdom restored (if it's possible to have claims on that lands with revoltrisk, it would be great. So if Hungary controls full Slovakia, the Slovakian majority places would have revolt.)
Very light green: Union with Croatia-Slavonia (not really necesary to put this claims on, coz despite Hungarians like to show great hungarian maps on they cars (with Croatia-Slavonia included) no one really want to put back Croatia-Slavonia to Hungary, as we consider Croatians to our friends, and in Croatia there's since no Hungarians... in 1910 there were 121000 Hungarians lived in Croatia-Slavonia)
Just to make things clear:
Here's the Hungarian kingdom: The dark red is the Hungarian kingdom and the light red is the Croatian-Slavonian kingdom. Croatia was in... hmm... let's call it personal union with Hungary.
Here's the Hungarian kingdom: The dark red is the Hungarian kingdom and the light red is the Croatian-Slavonian kingdom. Croatia was in... hmm... let's call it personal union with Hungary.
daemoncool
about Hun
Cluj and Bistrita do NOT have hungarian majority
in fact north transilvania, in whole had more romanians than hungarians (in 1940, dunno how it was in 44) only miercurea ciu and oradea have a Hun majority
also it would have been better not to put the left bank of tisa in the first tipe of cores group for the reason I have previously exposed (to be able to release Hun as another state if Rom wins the august 1940 war
@ crusher, the 3dr tipe of cores should inclode Pocutia too (Stanislowow)
and transnistrian cores should be gained as a whole in 41 (before 40 we didn't want to piss off USSR)
I don't know why Plodiv and Burgas are not in the required provinces, this is not the 1877 scenario
Greece shouldn't have the ionian islands as cores (they will be in in Italian hads in New world order scenario
I also don't know why you had to make other maps instead of suggesting changes
about Hun
Cluj and Bistrita do NOT have hungarian majority
in fact north transilvania, in whole had more romanians than hungarians (in 1940, dunno how it was in 44) only miercurea ciu and oradea have a Hun majority
also it would have been better not to put the left bank of tisa in the first tipe of cores group for the reason I have previously exposed (to be able to release Hun as another state if Rom wins the august 1940 war
@ crusher, the 3dr tipe of cores should inclode Pocutia too (Stanislowow)
and transnistrian cores should be gained as a whole in 41 (before 40 we didn't want to piss off USSR)
I don't know why Plodiv and Burgas are not in the required provinces, this is not the 1877 scenario
Greece shouldn't have the ionian islands as cores (they will be in in Italian hads in New world order scenario
I also don't know why you had to make other maps instead of suggesting changes
ROMANU said:daemoncool
about Hun
Cluj and Bistrita do NOT have hungarian majority
in fact north transilvania, in whole had more romanians than hungarians (in 1940, dunno how it was in 44) only miercurea ciu and oradea have a Hun majority
also it would have been better not to put the left bank of tisa in the first tipe of cores group for the reason I have previously exposed (to be able to release Hun as another state if Rom wins the august 1940 war
@ crusher, the 3dr tipe of cores should inclode Pocutia too (Stanislowow)
and transnistrian cores should be gained as a whole in 41 (before 40 we didn't want to piss off USSR)
I don't know why Plodiv and Burgas are not in the required provinces, this is not the 1877 scenario
Greece shouldn't have the ionian islands as cores (they will be in in Italian hads in New world order scenario
I also don't know why you had to make other maps instead of suggesting changes
Yep, you're correct
I will correct them (for the example as Crush3r made the maps)Anyway here's the so called "red map" which was created by the tragical fate count Paul Teleki.
http://www.mult-kor.hu/attachmets/9982/trianon_6.jpg
The red shows the areas in the old Hungarian kingdom which is habited by mainly Hungarians.