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First one philosophical issue: Idiot does not mean individual. Ατομα (atoma) means individual, that is where atom comes from. Ιδιοτης means a person that can live without any connection with society, which was considered in Ancient Greece as the worst thing in life. That is why in Greece expelling from a city was the greates punishment. According to Aristotle, only animals and gods can be idiots.

Second thing. I would like to remind some members on how hierarchy works.

ANYONE POSTING A POSSIBILITY OF AN UNION BETWEEN 2 NATIONS SHOULD BRING SOME PROOF WITH HIM.

AND NOTE THAT ANY KIND OF MILITARY ALLIANCE FOR A MORE EFFECTIVE DEFENSE, DOESN'T COUNT AS AN UNION.

Statements written in this form are not approved. If you read previous posts in this thread, you will notice that I have never used that manner of expression, and I do not wish to see that behaviour from other participants. At the end I will decide what is going to be added, and what not. If you look closely to whole thread, you will see that i have never approved anything that does not have sence or historical background, except it was approved via concensus, and has some predefined level of possiblility.
By the way, have you read Johann Wolfgang Goethe's Faust?

About proofs. I already told that. Proofs can be found in either Archive of Yugoslavia or Greece. As you possibly know, documents in archives cannot be photocopied or photographed. You can only see them by yourself or to copy them by rewriting. However, I think that LORD NIL has one historical book that describes the agreement. So you could ask him for further explanation, if you are not willing to visit neighbouring countries.

Fernando, if you can find some useful information about that alliance FRA-UK, or have an idea about flag, etc. I will be interested to add it.
 
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Fernando Torres said:
Err...i'm french, i think i know what i am talking about...
Anyway, Churchill proposed a TOTAL union to Reynaud's government. But before he could answer, he was replaced by Petain who had obviously other things in mind.

So if the question is "did UK and FRA think about a total union during WW2 ?", the answer is "yes". If the question is "did UK and FRA unite during WW2 ?", then the answer is an obvious "no".

I have to support Fernando here! The possiblity still existed and as I gathered from the the ARTE movie "Ich bin Frankreich" (sorry since I only get the german version) - Reynaud was very warm to the idea, as was Charles de Gaulle.

But then Petain came and crushed all hopes! :mad: And I did bring some proofs there! And by the way with the french declining it does not mean the whole of france, but instead the individuals Petain and his Vichy friends (who does not represent the whole of france, even though he claimed it)!
 

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It does not really need. But if you really want one then you could use that kind of :

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French links

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/1940_en_France

http://www.geostrategique.net/viewtopic.php?t=4090&sid=999779f83ba5c97f83dafe4424d2e269

http://juin1940.ifrance.com/fusion.htm

http://www.herodote.net/histoire/evenement.php?jour=19400618

http://jmguieu.free.fr/Enseignements/Textes unite europeenne/Union franco-britannique.htm
 
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Fernando Torres said:
Err...i'm french, i think i know what i am talking about...
Anyway, Churchill proposed a TOTAL union to Reynaud's government. But before he could answer, he was replaced by Petain who had obviously other things in mind.

So if the question is "did UK and FRA think about a total union during WW2 ?", the answer is "yes". If the question is "did UK and FRA unite during WW2 ?", then the answer is an obvious "no".
Well it seems that wiki knows better than you do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-British_Union .

And how does it come that on the whole world net there is no word about a greko yugo union?
 

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I think a union between france and england would be only a formal one, for a better coordonation of troops, with no other perspective.
frace would be merly a puppet of engl, as it would be dependent of supplies; not to mention the fact that mainland frace was ocupied


in other situation, only a common communist ideology would make it really possible
 
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Why are you so unkind ?? :confused:
I just hate historical insecurities or even Ahistorical (Man can certainly define what way some things would went, without any big speculation). And I will always try that everything is so as it was supposed to be. The same with the Greko-Yugo union. If Vladimir II can provide me, just with some kind of text, where it is written that there would be possibility of an union, I wont say anything against it (I always seek new knowledge).
 

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Fernando Torres said:
Why are you so unkind ?? :confused:

Even if I agree with some of Delex's argument, I have to say it:

He have alway been like that. None should be offensed, maybe its his nature. Or maybe he doesn't know the weight of all his words.
 

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Delex said:
I just hate historical insecurities or even Ahistorical (Man can certainly define what way some things would went, without any big speculation). And I will always try that everything is so as it was supposed to be. The same with the Greko-Yugo union. If Vladimir II can provide me, just with some kind of text, where it is written that there would be possibility of an union, I wont say anything against it (I always seek new knowledge).
I'm just saying french-british union was a possibility. And it's true.
Then, it's their mod, it's up to them whether to include it or not. I'm not even asking them to include it, i'm just giving more details in the case that they're interested.
 
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I'm just saying french-british union was a possibility. And it's true.
Then, it's their mod, it's up to them whether to include it or not. I'm not even asking them to include it, i'm just giving more details in the case that they're interested.
OK then, but why did you write that-No, it was a REAL UNION. And it happened again in 1956? (I you had written that what you have written that, what you have written 14 replies back, I would not even reply on the French-Britain union issue (Since that there is a prof that a proposal was given).
 
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You got me wrong.
The proposal was about a real union. It was suggested again in 1956.
That's what i meant. I'm not dumb enough to think that my own country has been united with UK lol...
I misunderstood you then, because you have written it happened again and not that i was proposed again. Sorry.
 

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Maybe release uncomplete version? And I would suggest making a list, what is needed for the mod and what is done, as in Kretoxian's signature about Cold War Mod. So I can choose what to do for the mod.