I'm all for it!Fernando Torres said:If you wish, i'm available for such stuffs.
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Delex said:
Actually the conflict should start in max 3 days after the victory against Russia, with both states leaving the Axis and Romania declaring war by event, if it chooses to do so. This might be the catalyst for a Serbo-Croatian war.
I would rather have the war start 3 months after the fall of Russia. Reasons:Crush3r said:
-ROM and HUN leave the alliance if a certain event chain fires.
-Armies need time to redeploy (The mian reason).
-WAR
-The war ends without an annexation (There would be no option of total victory. Realistically seen Germany would prevent it). When certain strategic objectives are achieved, Romania gets Transylvania back or HUN gets whole Transylvania).
The idea was to quickly swing back armies as Russia looked defeated (Romanian armies wouldn't have marched much past Stalingrad in any case) and catch Hungary off guard. So I say 1-2 months.
Well 1 month is also good for me, but I don't know how long a redeployment lasts from the Urals to the Balkans. And you also have to agree that Hungary does the same (If not Romania would declare war upon the axis).Crush3r said:
and it will begin with Ion Antonescu's Letter/Threat to Hitler claiming a redrawing of Transilvania border... =>
1)Antonescu is right ( Ger forces Hun to give back cluj and bistrita and the state of Székely is created (of course Hun may refuse)) - 10% chance
2) What? NO! (Ger guarantees Hun and -30 with Rom) -10%
3) Deal it with Horty - 80%
1)Antonescu is right ( Ger forces Hun to give back cluj and bistrita and the state of Székely is created (of course Hun may refuse)) - 10% chance
2) What? NO! (Ger guarantees Hun and -30 with Rom) -10%
3) Deal it with Horty - 80%
I bit of change (To see it realistically from a neutral viev):ROMANU said:
a.)=10
b.)=70
c.)=20 (Who is horty)?
To Hitler Hungary was more important as Romania. And if you argument the Romanian oil, than you also have to know that the Caucasus oil fields are already German.
The Great Duck said:
I mean pointed out the therritories that were indicated part of the project called "great Italy", the fascism embraced the concept of italian irredentism, therritories considered irredent were chosen following variable criterions:
- cultural/linguistic (there are people who speaks italian, also if a minority);
- historical (the therritory was possessed, in the past, by one of the ancient italian states);
- geographical
In the end the italian desiserata were:
Nice
Grenoble
Corsica
Dalmatia
Corfù / Ionian Islands
Malta
Canton Ticino / Grigioni
Tunisia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Italy)
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As I said before I plan to redraw borders on the Balkans and I've made Romania for now:
*Rivers will be added so few changes will be needed.
**Bukovina will be remade.
*Rivers will be added so few changes will be needed.
**Bukovina will be remade.
Ok, cool. It fits major rivers nicely, though I suggest splitting Cernăuţi into Cernăuţi and Hotin to differentiate between Bukovina and ex-Bessarabia.
As for the event, I'd say:
1. Force Horthy to cede Transylvania - 10%
2. What? No. We guaranteed the borders - 40% (Hitler stated when asked by Antonescu about the issue that „borders in Europe are never permanent”, so more than 40% is unreasonable)
3. Settle it yourselfs! - 50% (Germany wouldn't care much at this stage, both countries participated in the war already)
As for the event, I'd say:
1. Force Horthy to cede Transylvania - 10%
2. What? No. We guaranteed the borders - 40% (Hitler stated when asked by Antonescu about the issue that „borders in Europe are never permanent”, so more than 40% is unreasonable)
3. Settle it yourselfs! - 50% (Germany wouldn't care much at this stage, both countries participated in the war already)
They could get the regions by events,but some,like Dalmatia,shouldnt be cores,as that would mean the population would accept the Italian rule.franzer said:
Some recreation of a Roman Empire by Mussolini. Never understood him. for a beta release how much of the Geographic map will be modified?
regarding mumia's last map
1) sulina was a great idea, you should insert it
2) I'm not quite satisfied with transilvanian map
-alba iulia is too big (it does not cover the whole apuseni mountains and cluj is acutaly in that province)
- bistrita does not include all maramures (the idea was that it could be another path for the Viena dictate where the bistrita and maramures regions, highly romanian populated, would be kept by Rom)
@ delex, horty is the leader of Hungary (also the admiral of it's fleet :rofl: )
and germamy was not that much pro-Hun, the Viena dictate traied to avoid a Hungarian attack, the teritory Hun recived was much less than what they expacted.
not to say, the romanian help to germany during barbarossa was larger than Hungary's
1) sulina was a great idea, you should insert it
2) I'm not quite satisfied with transilvanian map
-alba iulia is too big (it does not cover the whole apuseni mountains and cluj is acutaly in that province)
- bistrita does not include all maramures (the idea was that it could be another path for the Viena dictate where the bistrita and maramures regions, highly romanian populated, would be kept by Rom)
@ delex, horty is the leader of Hungary (also the admiral of it's fleet :rofl: )
and germamy was not that much pro-Hun, the Viena dictate traied to avoid a Hungarian attack, the teritory Hun recived was much less than what they expacted.
not to say, the romanian help to germany during barbarossa was larger than Hungary's
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Those lands can be cores right from the start since they were settled by Italians at the time (In now day the number is minimal). Atleast the coastal provinces (Mostar and Montenegro Excluded).The Great Duck said:
ROMANU-Well I certainly agree with the event proposal of Crush3r.
ROMANU said:
1. Hmm yes, Making Sulina (the Delta), and having Constanţa swallow up Tulcea might work.
2. - We have to use a compromise because of the shape of Hungarian claims. Though splitting Alba Iulia between Turda and Alba Iulia on a roughly horizontal line to make the mountains more geographically correct can work.
- Bistriţa is fine, the current Oradea compromise is the best looking and most functional and most probable at the negotiations table in the case of a limited pact with Hungary. (Oradea represents Satu Mare, Sălaj and half of Bihor at that time, which is perfect)
And my 10-40-50% proposal has been accepted.
Here is what I and Romanu mean:
And relief:
BTW: Do forests exist a a terrain type in HoI2? They could be placed in Bacău and Suceava to represent the forests of the Oriental Carpathians and not break the chain. (solved)
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ROMANU said:
Well he was actually the last admiral in charge of the Austro-Hungarian navy, so he kept his title.
