E3 Mod & E3 Map thread

[Skolehaven]

actually there are a lot of differences but namely italy is changed. especially in africa

 

[The Great Duck]

No matter. Anyway the idea of Europe clean of all lower race nations remains. So after SOV and Allies defeated, Germany should annex all European countries, and consider them as national provinces, except ethnical Dutch provinces, which will become parts of Great Netherlands, England... and I think it is all; other nations are either Slavic, Romanic, Ugro-Finnish, Hellenic, Celtic, etc. Although I do not know about other Scandinavian nations.

Norwegians,Danes and Swedes are Germanic people.And I don't see Germany doing that,as you must remember all of their allies and friends were non-Germanic,with the exception of some puppet regimes.Italy,Hungary,Romania,Finland,Vichy,and even some Slavic nations like Bulgaria,Slovakia and Croatia,as well as Yugoslavia for some time,as well as anticommunist collaborators from USSR,Bela Garda from Slovenia or Četniks from Serbia were all German allies,with Portugal and Spain being neutral,but still fascist and friendly towards the Axis.And turning on all of them would probably cause a collapse of the Reich.And AFAIK,Hitler even gave up claims on the German-populated areas in Tyrol to please Mussolini.

 

[Sgt. Optimus]

About that Hungaro-Romanian conflict regarding teritorial concessions (Transylvania), did it ever happen? Will this be a fictional event?

 

[unmerged(62478)]

About that Hungary-Romanian conflict regarding territorial concessions (Transylvania), did it ever happen? Will this be a fictional event?

Well it almost came to it in the real world. But than Germany came by and saved the situation with the Vienna Dictate. But yes the event would be fictional if approved.

 

[General_Grant]

Skolehaven: thats why I wrote that:

Don't mid about Africa and beyond the Volga

Other changes I can see are... Dubrovnik and Ljubijana to Italy... Kherson removed from Romania.. another province on the Hun-Rom border to Romania. All thoses changes are right and were included in the latest map of Fatherland however I just took the old map.

Second if you had eyes in your head you would see even more changes.

This answer is unrespectuous. And arrogant. Didnt needed that to understand.

 

[Sgt. Optimus]

Oh, so it's kind off semi-fictional?

I was wondering, will Fernando Torres design our interface like he did with his "Experience the WWII mod"? It would be awesome, that guy is a guru!

 

[unmerged(62478)]

General_Grant-It isn't arrogant since you still didn't mention all the changes. And everything is arrogant to you what doesn't suit you.

 

[ROMANU]

regarding hitler's utopia... let's face it, it's fiction... if germany won it would have reconfigured the political map but not have much of an influence over the ethnic map...

so it's a fiar discution about the reconfiguration of states in this situation...


if it would have overexceded the ethinc cleansing, huge partisan activity would develop





romania has most of transilvanaia here (sorry, I'm romanian, and a little nationalistic....) anyway, regarding this, there was, in fatherland mod an event chain about the serb-croatian war, there should be a Romanian-hungarian similar one

Ger has allways south tyrol

there is a celtic federation (Scotland,Welsh,Ireland and Bretaghe)

spain has Russalon

there is a great albania under italian rule and grece has constantinople and other provs in asia minor

in exchange for the losses in europe, france gets west valonia and algeria

 

[Crush3r]

I think we should focus not on how Germany would redraw the map, but on the minor conflicts following a German victory, where Germany might be asked to referee. (Spain-France border, Transylvania, Serbo-Croat, Greek independence from Italy, etc.)

And Germany would consider the Reichskomissariats Polen & Böhmen as integral parts of Grossdeutchland, unless a more liberal Führer replaced Hitler ca. 1946-1947 when he would have died.

 

[unmerged(62478)]

ROMANU-Maybe I would believe you but than when I saw free Chezkovia and Poland + Transylvania a part of Romania, I saw that it was your fiction.



I would not agree with Italy, but everything else would be kept as it is. I hope i removed all the swastikas.

 

[ROMANU]

transilvania ai nor fiction, in an event of a german victory there will be allways a permanent conflict thet would have to solve one way or another...
anyway bohemia-moravia and poland are not free but autonimous

take whatever you like from the map

 

[unmerged(62478)]

Transylvania AI nor fiction, in an event of a German victory there will be always a permanent conflict that would have to solve one way or another...
anyway Bohemia-Moravia and Poland are not free but autonomous

take whatever you like from the map

Autonomous or not that means they would be part of the Reich (Not free puppet states). And I don't deny it would not stay a conflict, but the map has to represent the situation directly after the war. And that does not include Romania having Transylvania. Later in the game both countries can fight for it. And from where do you have the idea that Bretange would become a free nation. I never heard of it, nor read about the idea.

 

[cegorach]

transilvania ai nor fiction, in an event of a german victory there will be allways a permanent conflict thet would have to solve one way or another...
anyway bohemia-moravia and poland are not free but autonimous

I wouldn't even call that autonomous. It was much more lenient in Bohamia-Moravia, but it was still an occupied territory without any autonomy, except some very low level officials left in place.

In Poland it was far, far worse with the 'civil authority' having nothing to do with Poland except being expected to eradicate any resistence.
It is worth calling this autonomy if you are regulry hunted on streets during the łapanka-s or burdned in home for supporting guerillas or refusing confiscations (880+ villages were destroyed in reprisal actions, 420-438 for supporting partisans), besides with over 1 000 000 people in the underground you cannot say it was even close to 'popularity', especially with food rations of 550 kcal (for Poles, 0 kcal for Jews, normal rations for Germans).
The General Government was supposed to be a large slavecamp for example Warsaw was planned to be reduced to 1/4 of its size - with the majority as slaves.
Besides the majority Poles would be 're-settled' to Siberia anyway.

No of those actions brought any popularity so please do not add any cores in the General Government area, that would be extremely unrealistic.

 

[The Great Duck]

Well,I don't think Germany should get cores on GG territories immediately,but after they win the war,I think they should slowly get cores on the territories,to simulate the settling of Germans in the conquered areas.Or would that go into the forbidden area?

 

[unmerged(102827)]

Germany claiming on Italy (after 8 september 1943 were created 2 zones with the purpose of annex them to the Reich):

Trento (Operationszone Alpenvorland or OZAV); most important, after the anschluss Italy began the fortification of this border;
Udine, Trieste, Pola, Lubiana (Operationszone Adriatisches Küstenland or OZAK);

(reference for the provinces: http://www.screenshots.cc/show.php/13177_Italiamutafiumielaghi6.jpg.html)

Italy claiming on France

Nice
Grenoble
Corsica

Italy claiming on Yugoslavia

Lubiana
some coastal zone

Other territories with italian claiming or that Italy wanted claim

Malta
Tunisia
Suez

 

[The Great Duck]

I think we should have events for the partition of Yugoslavia,and Italy would get Kosovo,Ljubljana,Montenegro and Split (I don't know if Dubrovnik was in Italy or NDH,though),but shouldnt have any claims,as the areas don't have an Italian majority,and have seen a lot of Partisan activity.
Also,NDH should have its historical borders,and have Zagreb,Bjelovar,Osijek,Rijeka,Mostar,Banja Luka and Zenica (again,I don't know was Dubrovnik Italian or Croatian).Also,Serbian claim on Osijek should be removed.

 

[Estland]

Yes and these should be Estonian and Latvian cores.

Narva river is at wrong place. You should add Emajõgi river too, because it has been good defence position. You can use this map:

 

[Fernando Torres]

I was wondering, will Fernando Torres design our interface like he did with his "Experience the WWII mod" ?

If you wish, i'm available for such stuffs.

 

[ROMANU]

@Delex
about bretagne, Ger needs some military bases at the atlantic, and it would be better to deal with a small country that ownes Ger her independence rather than a defeated and revisionist France...

also, the celtic nations would have joined the Reich if Sealion would ever ocur and at least wold have created a revolt climate in Scotland and welsh as well as northen ireland, not to mention the irish claims....

anyway, it is not something I heard of, it is purely mi logical chain about the weastern europe map (alps to Italy, Pirinei mountains to spain and bretagne independent => a poor military position for france that is mostly plains and with some of it's ports under german rule), sooo, just a suggestion

 

[unmerged(62478)]

Well,I don't think Germany should get cores on GG territories immediately,but after they win the war,I think they should slowly get cores on the territories,to simulate the settling of Germans in the conquered areas.Or would that go into the forbidden area?

Thats the idea. They gain the territory if they defeat USSR (Whats the possibility that happens lol)? And Dubrovnik was a part of the Italian occupation zone.

ROMANU-France would be an ally of Germany anyway. So there is no need for the state. And also if Sealion would be successfully it was mostly meant to force UK to peace. There was no taught about Scotland being free (Prove me I'm wrong). In the worst case scenario the government in UK would be replaced.