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I'm just curious as to which dynasties in the game have a lineage of religious significance.

I know that the Solomons in Ethiopia and Bagrationis in Georgia both claim descent from the House of David. I also know that the Fatimids claim descent from Muhammad, and the Hashimids claim to be of the Prophet's house.

Are there any others?
 
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I'm not sure about specific dynasties, but I know that I've seen Muslim characters that have a special trait that says they are descendants from the prophet Mohammad, or his uncle, or similar important Islamic figure.
 

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I'm just curious as to which dynasties in the game have a lineage of religious significance.

I know that the Solomons in Ethiopia and Bagrationis in Georgia both claim descent from the House of David. I also know that the Fatimids claim descent from Muhammad, and the Hashimids claim to be of the Prophet's house.

Are there any others?

I didn't even remember about the Bagratid claim to be descended from King David. Now that you say something's dawning on me. Care to throw a link or two?

Some of the Muhammadid genes passed to Iberian nobility through one of the links, that being a Muslim King of Seville's daughter. Thus one King of Castille should have the Murza trait. ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry_charts_of_the_current_British_Royal_Family

Otherwise it's descent from canonised saints in Christian Churches. Having a predecessor canonised was a huge legitimacy boost. Examples include St. Louis IX of France, St. Eric IX of Sweden, St. Knud of Denmark, obviously Edward the Confessor, Tamara of Georgia, Alexander Nevsky (the last two Orthodox) and a number of others (some of whom are playable).

I'm currently working on an AAR devoted to saints playable in the game.
 

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Can you please provide a list of those playable saints you mentioned. I'd love to try playing as them.

I'm currently playing St. Louis IX of France (8 November 1226).

The other ones I'm mostly going to play later are:

David I of Scotland (1 April 1124 as king of Scotland but available as Duke of Lothian from a much earlier date, not sure about the historicity of it, very debatable rights to the crown, skipping a legitimate son of his elder brother while his own succession was under primogeniture; referred to as the king who made Scotland--basically a lot of city and church building, reforms etc.)
Ladislaus I (Laszlo) of Hungary (25 April 1077, called King Lancelot and reputed for chivalry, claim to throne fuzzy, some holy warring with the Cumans or Pechengs)
Canute IV of Denmark (some point in 1080, actually planned an invasion of England and he too was illegitimate, strengthened the Church in Denmark)
Charles the Good, Count (Duke in the game) of Flanders (around 17 July 1119, actually Danish and son of St. Knud--inheritance through mother)
Eric IX of Sweden (some point in 1155, murdered en route to mass, some controversies re: canonisation; patron of Sweden)
Canute Lavard, Duke of Schleswig (some point in 1115, chivalrous and germanophile, died young)
Magnus Erlendsson of Orkney (count unless the game puts him higher, 1108)
Ragnvald Kolsson of Orkney (1129)
Ferdinand III of Castille (1217, King of Castille, later in 1230 also King of Leon, very big on reconquista, had a sword that had a name)
Louis IV of Thuringia (1217, either count or duke, he was a landgrave, died young en route to a crusade, so I probably won't be playing him, his wife was also a saint)
Humbert III of Savoy (1148, probably count of Savoy, maybe duke in the game, generally stayed in a monastery other than being begged by his subjects to produce an heir)
Leopold III of Austria (1095, either duke of Austria or count, declined to become HRE but had a sense of semi-independence as margrave)




There also some Orthodox ones (should generally be valid as Catholic saints, though with some complications):
Kings of Georgia:
David IV (some point in 1089)
Demetre I (1125)
Queen Tamar (1184)
Demetre II (1270)
Vakhtang II (1302)
and possibly some other rulers of Georgia
Stefan Nemanja of Serbia (some point in 1166, their Nemanjic dynasty was much revered later on)
Vsevolod of Pskov (1117 in Novgorod)
Yaropolk Izyaslavich (Vladimir/Turov 1078)
Alexander Nevsky (Novgorod, 1236)
...and a lot of Russian princes really

It's likely that a number of less known dukes and counts may be saints, just hard to find on common lists. A lot of queens, duchesses and other assorted royals and high nobles being wives rather than rulers, who should be in the game. For example St. Margaret of Scotland, who was the sister of the popular favourite Eadgar Atheling. Obviously a number of bishop saints should be there in some periods.

(Anybody please PM me if you suspect you've come across somebody I haven't spotted.)
 
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Actual saints in the game files:

St Isabel Pedra of Catalonia, 1271-1336
St Knud IV (Canute) of Denmark listed
St Knut Lavard of Denmark (1096-1131)
St Margrethe Sunesdatter (Denmark), 1157 - 1176 and venerated for centuries
St Henry the Pious of Bavaria and Germany, 973-1024. The Ludolfinger is matrilineally connected to several others.
St Istvan of Hungary (975-1038) and St Imre (1007-1031) both of the Árpád dynasty
St Olaf of Norway (995-1030) of the Kormákur/Folesson house
St Magnus of Orkney (1060-1117), given above

Saxons:
St Edward the Martyr (962-978)
St Margaret of Essex (1045-1093)
St Edward the Confessor (1003-1066)
St Alfred the Great (848-899)
St Æthelstan the Glorious (893-939)

St Erik of Sweden (1120-1160)
St Ludmilla Berka z Dubé of Bohemia (858-921) connected to Premyslids
St Vaclav of Bohemia (907-935), Premyslid

Plus numerous popes and early Greek and Coptic Patriarchs (before the schisms), and some Orthodox ones.