I agree. The only person I have ever seen die heirless was Venice. That and I think an Arabian state... can't remember if that happened or if I just imagined it.
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While there wasn't a king or duke in Venice
I had it once, playing as Holland inheriting Hessen. THat's a long long time ago though.
OK then. Is it fair to say that the Dynastic Inheritance thing is a purely random event? And that it is a totally different event than a diplomatic annexation, which if I have read all this correctly, is a very difficult achievement, requiring as preliminary events, Royal Marriage, a high relationship index, and (possibly) vassal status first?
Thanks in advance...
Thanks in advance...
Originally posted by RELee
(possibly) vassal status first?
Definitely vassal status first, plus a wait of at least a decade. Dipannexation isn't so difficult, it just requires patience ["when you grow up in a big family, patience isn't a virtue, it's a necessity" -me]. Now, I've never had a dynastic inheritance, but my understanding is that it does require a (the only?) royal marriage, (reletively) high relations, and the early death of the other country's monarch. That last point is what makes the event so rare: I don't pay too much attention to other countries' monarchs, but I only know of it happening once in the 600 or so years I've played. Henry VIII died early, and a regency rules until the unborn Edward came of age.
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I disagree with this thread on one point: for me, dynastic inheritence is almost as common as political annexation, depending on which nation you are playing.
A classical inheritence is Georgia being absorbed by Byzans about ten to fifteen years into the game, which is one of the reasons why I choose not to play as Byzans. Sure, it opens another front against the Osmans, but I've never witnessed a people so prone to revolutions as the Georgians. It never results in them forming their own nation, though. They seem to be perfectly happy with rising against me and then keep their two provinces for fifty years or more without declaring independance.
The most dynastic inheritences I've had in one game is two, separated by only about five years. I was playing as England in the IGC and inherited Hannover around 1500 (England inheriting Hannover is something that happens every second time I play as England). About five years later - and this is more or less unbelievable - the king of Austria died and gave me his country, including Bohemia, Lothringen and most of the lowlands.
Even if that sounds nice, it was decidedly not. The Austrians were almost Georgian in their uprisings (or maybe it just seemed like it because there were so many provinces?) and because the alliance Austria-England-Spain had just been at war with France, the Austrian army was depleted. And since France had... Luxemburg or something like that, I couldn't do much about the rebellions in mainland Austria.
I estimate that dynastic inheritance happen to me every tenth time I play, but that number varies a lot depending on what nation I play. The Osmans, France, Spain, Portugal, Russia and Venice have never got any inheritence, whereas Byzans, England, the Papal State (have got Tuscany and Milan), Sweden (The Teutonic Knights, strangely enough) and the Netherlands (Mainly Hessony, although also Cologne) gets them regularly.
A classical inheritence is Georgia being absorbed by Byzans about ten to fifteen years into the game, which is one of the reasons why I choose not to play as Byzans. Sure, it opens another front against the Osmans, but I've never witnessed a people so prone to revolutions as the Georgians. It never results in them forming their own nation, though. They seem to be perfectly happy with rising against me and then keep their two provinces for fifty years or more without declaring independance.
The most dynastic inheritences I've had in one game is two, separated by only about five years. I was playing as England in the IGC and inherited Hannover around 1500 (England inheriting Hannover is something that happens every second time I play as England). About five years later - and this is more or less unbelievable - the king of Austria died and gave me his country, including Bohemia, Lothringen and most of the lowlands.
Even if that sounds nice, it was decidedly not. The Austrians were almost Georgian in their uprisings (or maybe it just seemed like it because there were so many provinces?) and because the alliance Austria-England-Spain had just been at war with France, the Austrian army was depleted. And since France had... Luxemburg or something like that, I couldn't do much about the rebellions in mainland Austria.
I estimate that dynastic inheritance happen to me every tenth time I play, but that number varies a lot depending on what nation I play. The Osmans, France, Spain, Portugal, Russia and Venice have never got any inheritence, whereas Byzans, England, the Papal State (have got Tuscany and Milan), Sweden (The Teutonic Knights, strangely enough) and the Netherlands (Mainly Hessony, although also Cologne) gets them regularly.
I got two inheritances during my first EU game, so I assumed it was a very common event. Later, I discovered it wasn't. However, for some reason, it seems that I'm lucky with this event and get it more often than most other players (or perhaps there's something in my way of playing..perhaps diplomacy...which makes it more likely to happen). I just began a new EU game after a *very* long time without playing it...and I got a dynastic inheritance!
I really don't know how many inheritances I had in my games, but it didn't have been *that* rare for me...
I really don't know how many inheritances I had in my games, but it didn't have been *that* rare for me...
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Just as I read this message for the 2nd time... I got a d.h.
I was Brandenburg (taking over the world one vassal at a time... and cheating of course ), when suddenly I inherited DENMARK! It was really weird. I had a Royal Marriage and a nice (about 160ish, 170ish) relationship... when suddenly it said 'Denmark is Yours' or some such. And they still hadn't lost any territories to Sweden
Just as I read this message for the 2nd time... I got a d.h.
I was Brandenburg (taking over the world one vassal at a time... and cheating of course
), when suddenly I inherited DENMARK! It was really weird. I had a Royal Marriage and a nice (about 160ish, 170ish) relationship... when suddenly it said 'Denmark is Yours' or some such. And they still hadn't lost any territories to Sweden