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Just a quick suggestion, please feel free to shoot it down in flames.

Rather than allowing a character to select what succession type they want (within limits), have the character nominate their preferred heir, which can be any character in the game. The game will then run through the succession types that that nominee satisfies and present it as a set of options, one of which must be selected by the character,with the AI choosing semi randomly.

Selecting any option strengthens it and weakens all others, but only in that realm. Selecting a weak or obscure inheritance rule would potentially cost LOTS of prestige and piety (depending upon succession type) and may make one or more realm figures and or dynasty members hate you, selecting a strong option may have the reverse effect of actually strengthening the liege, even if the nominee subsequently dies.

Example - Henry I of England nominates his daughter Matilda as his heir, and claims Agnatic-Cognatic primogeniture as his reason. The claim of Agantic-Cognatic succession is without precedent in the kingdom so alienates many barons, the claim of primogeniture is unusual but not unheard of so creates only minor unrest. This reasoning strengthens both Agnatic-Cognatic and primogeniture, but weakens the realms usual (although not exclusive) law of pure Agnatic Gavelkind.

This recommendation would make succession a LOT more dynamic, with the occasional dark horse candidate taking over (eg first son Robert I taking Normandy and second son William II taking the Kingdom of England title on Bastard Will's death) and would even allow a player lord to put forward a true out of left field candidate (eg the strong, attractive, genius youngest son via ultimo), although at the expense of possible civil war as and when the old man kicks the bucket.

This would require each independent realm in the game having to keep track of succession sentiment for each succession type at all times, but in light of the current memory load for such things as character and province stats etc probably wouldn't be too big an addition.
 
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As I already said in other threads, I prefer soft limits, where the player has the choice to do whatever he wants if he can face the consequences. So I like this idea.

As far as implementation is concerned, keeping track of sentiment for each title and each succession law seems to be a lot of overhead (number of titles x number of succession laws, it grows fast...). Maybe we can just keep track of the "legal" succession law and apply static penalties between 2 given laws, i.e. if legal is Cognatic and used is Agnatic-Cognatic, it's always -20 opinions (for instance).
In that case, we lose the possibility of smooth transition from one law to another, and we need something else to determine when/how the "legal" succession is actually modified. Maybe the legal succession is always the more recent succession where the heir has not abdicated?

Anyway, this is quite an interesting if complex idea :) And it could organically allow powerful queens to install truly Cognatic succession without the hard constraint to be Basque/Cathar.
 
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I like it. The game's inheritance laws are mostly ahistorical for this era. Many (most?) of these countries should have Designate Heir with a strong preference for the eldest living son.
 
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Maybe we can just keep track of the "legal" succession law and apply static penalties between 2 given laws, i.e. if legal is Cognatic and used is Agnatic-Cognatic, it's always -20 opinions (for instance).
In that case, we lose the possibility of smooth transition from one law to another, and we need something else to determine when/how the "legal" succession is actually modified. Maybe the legal succession is always the more recent succession where the heir has not abdicated?
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Great idea - make succession laws a bit like the current "Heir" and "Pretenders" list - the Heir would equate to Customary Succession while Pretenders would equate to Historical Successions.

Of course if you really wanted to go full Cognatic Ultimo when it's not on the list then knock yourself out but don't whine when the entire kingdom rises up against your nominated heir once you kick the bucket !
 

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I think that the idea is that historical inheritance systems would be too powerful.
But they're historical!
In that case Why don't tghey remove the Islamic succession law and replace it with elective gavelkind.
Nice Ideas! an on action event could trigger a rebellion is they really didn't like your abs. Cognatic ultimo
 

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But they're historical!
In that case Why don't tghey remove the Islamic succession law and replace it with elective gavelkind.
Nice Ideas! an on action event could trigger a rebellion is they really didn't like your abs. Cognatic ultimo

Also the islamic succession is not really that historic, so yeah more historical realism
 

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Also the islamic succession is not really that historic, so yeah more historical realism
Actually is the turkish sucession. Paradox choose it for all islam.
 

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Actually is the turkish sucession. Paradox choose it for all islam.
The turkish succesion is like its name says it turkish(at least at the begining), but not all muslims were turk and not all muslims used turkish succesion.
The Ummeyad,the abbaside(the arabe) used a succesion where all the family choose the heir, that's why sometimes the caliph passes the tittle to his son, his brother or his cousin.