Dutch Restoration of Union over England mission (Interest of Holland) - bug or lies?

[Monumentiumerongraphataquesqly]

So I got to this mission last night. Yet, when I clicked it, it just gave me a few Conquest CB's in the south-east of England (Leicester, Sussex, etc).

Needless to say, I was quite disappointed. I would much prefer a PU over England. Is this meant to be this way? Why does it say "gain Restoration of Union casus belli" if it just gives you Conquest claims instead? It's like being your grandma telling you as a kid she has a really awesome birthday present for you, and it turns out to be some candy and socks or something. It was anti-climatic.

The thing is when I do some Googling, other people online seem to be getting the PU CB, yet I'm just getting claims. Is this bugged or what the hell is going on? The thought of slowly and painstakingly annexing English provinces over the years does not fill with me joy. Especially as a tall Netherlands, I don't want to spend all that admin. The PU has more utility and is more historical, too.

Can anyone enlighten me?

 

[LukasYork]

There are certain conditions for the PU to be available. Maybe your government form doesn't allow PUs?

Claims are a fallback, for when you don't fulfill requirements for the PU

 

[LukasYork]

I'm not sure if I understand this correctly but seems like you need to have Orangists in power to get restoration of union CB


emp_ned_interest_of_holland = {
icon = interest_of_holland
required_missions = { emp_ned_adjust_the_general_means }
position = 4

provinces_to_highlight = {
province_id = 1269
}

trigger = {
1269 = { # English Channel
trade_share = {
country = ROOT
share = 50
}
}
}
effect = {
if = {
limit = {
exists = ENG
NOT = { exists = GBR }
ENG = {
valid_for_personal_unions_trigger = yes
}
religion_group = christian
OR = {
AND = {
has_dlc = "Res Publica"
has_states_general_mechanic = yes
is_orangists_in_power = yes
}
government = monarchy
}
}
add_casus_belli = {
type = cb_restore_personal_union
months = 300
target = ENG
}
}
else_if = {
limit = {
exists = GBR
GBR = {
valid_for_personal_unions_trigger = yes
}
religion_group = christian
OR = {
AND = {
has_dlc = "Res Publica"
has_states_general_mechanic = yes
is_orangists_in_power = yes
}
government = monarchy
}
}
add_casus_belli = {
type = cb_restore_personal_union
months = 300
target = GBR
}
}
else = {
home_counties_area = {
limit = {
NOT = { is_permanent_claim = ROOT }
NOT = { is_core = ROOT }
}
add_permanent_claim = ROOT
}
east_anglia_area = {
limit = {
NOT = { is_permanent_claim = ROOT }
NOT = { is_core = ROOT }
}
add_permanent_claim = ROOT
}
east_midlands_area = {
limit = {
NOT = { is_permanent_claim = ROOT }
NOT = { is_core = ROOT }
}
add_permanent_claim = ROOT
}
}
if = {
limit = {
OR = {
has_reform = dutch_republic
has_reform = states_general_reform
}
}
change_statists_vs_orangists = -0.2
}
else_if = {
limit = {
government = republic
NOT = { has_reform = dutch_republic }
}
add_republican_tradition = 20
}
}
}

 

[Cancerofthehead]

The Spain PU mission is similar in that it has requirements to get the PU CB or it defaults to permaclaims. Really annoying.

 

[Maxxie42]

I ran into a similar issue just yesterday. As France, you get several PU opportunities through missions, namely on Naples, Castille and Poland. Here's where it gets very inconsistent : if Castille forms Spain before you get the PU, that's perfectly fine, the game accounts for that possibility and the mission reward changes from CB on Castille to CB on Spain ; but if Naples gets Sicily and forms the Kingdom of Two Sicilies, that mission reward goes from CB on Naples to no CB at all. I think it's an oversight, but it's frustrating if you don't know that in advance. I actively protected Naples against Spain because I knew I had the PU down the road, but ended up with nothing instead.

Now I wonder what's gonna happen with the third PU option : should I rush to the Subjugate Poland mission before they form the Commonwealth, or do I get the CB no matter what ?

 

[Flow__]

Now I wonder what's gonna happen with the third PU option : should I rush to the Subjugate Poland mission before they form the Commonwealth, or do I get the CB no matter what ?

You don't get a PU CB on Poland, its Subjugation, which makes them a vasall.

In addition to your government allowing for PUs, the target countries government needs to do the same. So if England turns into a Republic through their Disaster then you will get only perma claims for example.

 

[AP85]

I just played a Netherlands game and obtained the PU, however when the Orangist monarch died, I elected a statist and the PU broke without so much as a pop-up. Not really worth even taking the PU anyway, as you have to conquer the best parts of England before you even get that mission, and GB will certainly hate your guts by then. You'll have a disloyal junior who will break unless you keep Orangists in power, which is going to cost you a ton of mana in the long run. Better off just painting the whole island orange!

 

[Monumentiumerongraphataquesqly]

I just played a Netherlands game and obtained the PU, however when the Orangist monarch died, I elected a statist and the PU broke without so much as a pop-up. Not really worth even taking the PU anyway, as you have to conquer the best parts of England before you even get that mission, and GB will certainly hate your guts by then. You'll have a disloyal junior who will break unless you keep Orangists in power, which is going to cost you a ton of mana in the long run. Better off just painting the whole island orange!

After reading this thread and getting Orangists in power the same thing happened to me. Lost the PU after like 2 years, at which point a thicc Scotland and France destroyed England and then started bullying me... Disappointing really. A fresh PU shouldn't break so easy.

 

[iClipse]

I ran into a similar issue just yesterday. As France, you get several PU opportunities through missions, namely on Naples, Castille and Poland. Here's where it gets very inconsistent : if Castille forms Spain before you get the PU, that's perfectly fine, the game accounts for that possibility and the mission reward changes from CB on Castille to CB on Spain ; but if Naples gets Sicily and forms the Kingdom of Two Sicilies, that mission reward goes from CB on Naples to no CB at all. I think it's an oversight, but it's frustrating if you don't know that in advance. I actively protected Naples against Spain because I knew I had the PU down the road, but ended up with nothing instead.

Now I wonder what's gonna happen with the third PU option : should I rush to the Subjugate Poland mission before they form the Commonwealth, or do I get the CB no matter what ?

There is also the issue of Naples turning into a republic, which is what happened in my latest France game. They turned into a republic around.. 1530 or so? Really early anyway. Couldn't get the PU mission in time for that. Permaclaims it is.

After reading this thread and getting Orangists in power the same thing happened to me. Lost the PU after like 2 years, at which point a thicc Scotland and France destroyed England and then started bullying me... Disappointing really. A fresh PU shouldn't break so easy.

Losing the PU is because they had negative relations with you when you changed ruler. Otherwise it would stay, regardless who's in charge.