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Looking at that picture of the map of Asia, africa and Europe in the "The art of Victoria" document, we can see most of the Dutch East Indies. It looks better than in base game Victoria 2, but i would argue that there is this some improvement to be done. In 1836 the Dutch did not have major controll over Sulawesi and the western part of New Guinea.

Hopefully we can see some changes done to the map here. Personally i think the representation of the situation in Sumatra and Borneo is mostly fine, and a big improvement on how it was in Victoria 2. Sulawesi and new Guinea still need to be imroved though.
 
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I did my thesis about the Dutch East Indies and at this time almost no area except Java was firmly under Dutch control. Aruably the south of Sumatra but definitely not all the way to the Aceh border.
 
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Now, make Netherlands Indies in V3 separate in the way it is in HoI4 so that the colonial relationship is properly represented, with development of the economy, education etc and local military power handled at the local level rather than micro-managed from Amsterdam. Yes the mother countries had oversight, but colonial administration always had a degree of local control different from administration of provinces back in the home country.
 
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they have mentioned that colonial states while not spereate tags, do have seperate and "diferent" laws, what that means is unclear however
 
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Now, make Netherlands Indies in V3 separate in the way it is in HoI4 so that the colonial relationship is properly represented, with development of the economy, education etc and local military power handled at the local level rather than micro-managed from Amsterdam. Yes the mother countries had oversight, but colonial administration always had a degree of local control different from administration of provinces back in the home country.
I would disagree, in a game where a lot of the focus is colonialism, that all colonies should be a separate TAG would take a lot out of the game. Why would you want to play a colonial nation if all colonies were independent anyway? Just laugh at them pops? I mean they are fun, but nations shouldn't be divided too much. In HoI4 it is probably done because the AI is unable to defend of even handle different parts of their territory that isn't connected, just look at HOI3.
 

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I am considering doing a writeup about what I know about the DEI. Should I?

Maybe then you could shed your light on this suggestion by CaptRobau: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...-the-current-map-thread.1476163/post-27569200

Possibly make your own map?
Not the person you are asking, but my ideal map would be this one (one without all the names included as attachment):
East Indies 1836.png


I based this on a map proposal I made for Imperatrix: Victoria. Here is the province map I drew, as well as a proposal for resources (though the resource map might not be very legible):
East Indies 1815 province map2.pngEast Indies resource map.png
 

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I am considering doing a writeup about what I know about the DEI. Should I?

Yeees! That sounds like a great read. Furthermore, whats your opinion of further splitting up various cultures in the archipelago? If I recall correctly, the base game had Filipino, Malay, Javan, Moluccan, Melanesian, and Asian Minor.

It always seemed like such a massive understatement, compared to the wealth of different peoples in the region.
 

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Oh yeah, I always mess those two up. I drew this mostly from memory from when I worked on my (never finished) Dutch (Indies) Improvement Mod. As that was 7 years ago, I can't really tell you what my sources were. But the advantage is that most primary sources are in Dutch. For example: here is a completely random but very interesting treatisen on the population of Java from 1870. Completely random, but fascinating to read.

Ah, right. In the same vein I have found the book Beknopte Beschrijving van de Nederlandsche Overzeesche Bezittingen ("Concise Description of the Dutch Overseas Possessions" on Google Books, with descriptions of every residentie in the Indies, and also some more general descriptions of the major islands.
 

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Yeees! That sounds like a great read. Furthermore, whats your opinion of further splitting up various cultures in the archipelago? If I recall correctly, the base game had Filipino, Malay, Javan, Moluccan, Melanesian, and Asian Minor.

It always seemed like such a massive understatement, compared to the wealth of different peoples in the region.

That'll take a day or two.

About cultures:
I used this map as a guide for my setup, as well as the 19th century censusses I could find (but they generally didn't differate much between native groups). The cultures I used were:
-Javanese
-Sundanese (largest culture group in Vicky 2 without their own culture I think)
-Malay
-Madurese
-Batak
-Buginese
-Minangkabau
-Banjarese
-Achenese
-Balinese
-Dayak
-Sasak (or not, don't remember)

Basicly the 13 (current) largest ethnic groups of Indonesia. Then I also used some algamated culture groups such as melanese and asian minor.


Ah, right. In the same vein I have found the book Beknopte Beschrijving van de Nederlandsche Overzeesche Bezittingen ("Concise Description of the Dutch Overseas Possessions" on Google Books, with descriptions of every residentie in the Indies, and also some more general descriptions of the major islands.

Is that the one where they talk about Makassar having good horses, there being unexploited iron mines in the Luwu interiour and the trees on Riau being well suited for mastmaking? Then I read it as well years ago ;) If not; I should probably read.

But yeah; just find something and read it. I tend not to like books dealing with broad subjects and those giving overviews, because in the end they don't say an aweful lot. I prefer reading highyl specialised literature, as you'll end up with a far better understanding.

Here is one dealing with just the history of the Jambi sultanate. Far more interesting read than a general history of the whole DEI.
 
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It's clearly Victoria II, though. It's probably from some mod.
Also since the name 'Netherlands' can be clearly seen across Sumatra, Java, and Sulawesi while India has a variety of names across its landmass, it looks like the Netherlands will directly own their colonies which is an unfortunate choice. It would be more accurate and more interesting to represent all the little kingdoms and polities, even if they were still within the Dutch market.