Dumb Question about Localization

[samerica514]

Hey everyone. I'm just starting out with HIP, which is the first mod for CK2 I've used since starting to play the game 4 years ago. So far, I really like it; but, I have one problem. I started a game as the Byzantine Empire, wherein it seems every vassal holds land as a viceroy. At least in my game, this results in many really ugly title names: Count-Viceroy, Minor Vicereine, etc. I figure this is due to the mod, since a Duke-tier viceroy is called "Doux" here and "Strategos" in vanilla, his wife is called a "Minor Vicereine" here and a "Strategissa" in Vanilla, etc.

I want to go in and change the localization for the Greek title names back to what was in Vanilla. However, I can't figure out what file all the title names are in. I've tried looking around but they're all kind of long and confusing. How do I change the localization?

 

[elvain]

do you use english or native localisations?
it seems like you use english, right? If you want propper names, I'd recommend using native localisations.

 

[theKing1988]

He is obviously not using EMF. Otherwise, he wouldn't have any Viceroys at all. And he must be using SED, when he sees Count-Viceroy, because SWMH without SED still has a Count Viceroyal title listed in the file. I forgot to give the females a localisation back in the day and to be honest i'm not prioritizing giving them one now, because SWMH should be played with EMF and in EMF Viceroyal titles do not exist. I kind of wish we could axe them in SWMH too to be honest, but i would have to discuss it with the others before we do that

 

[IoannesBarbarus]

You’ll need to post your version.txt for any clarity here, it is similar to a bug in the release version of SED but I don’t think it’s that; but no one can say for sure without knowing what modules you’re using

 

[samerica514]

Ok, sorry. Here's my version.

[HIP Release 2016-05-28 (Zeus7)]
EMF: Extended Mechanics & Flavor (v5.06.2 - 2016-05-29)
Arumba's Keyboard Shortcuts (2016-03-02)
ARKO Interface (2016-03-03)
ARKO Armoiries (2016-03-03)
LTM (C - 2016-04-10)
VIET Events (v2.0.0 - 2016-05-28)

I definitely attempted to install EMF haha. I did not install SMWH because the FAQ said that it's not possible to convert a game over to EUIV, but I usually play with an eye to do that. I've heard playing with SMWH is a better experience, so I guess if playing without it is also causing this I guess I might just reinstall with it included.

Also, I believe I am using English localization but I am not sure. I wasn't aware there was a native localization, I thought it was just English, French, German, and Spanish.

 

[theKing1988]

Well. You shouldn't even have Viceroys then. In case you didn't know EMF scrapped the viceroy system completely

Which is why you're not seeing any Strategos or Strategissa

 

[IoannesBarbarus]

EMF works just fine without SWMH, and indeed if you value EU4 conversion over more detailed/historical setup then you do want to leave SWMH off.

The English localisation (SED) is an optional module for SWMH, which is otherwise native.

Can you post a screenshot showing a character with one of the viceroy-type localisations?

 

[samerica514]

Of course, here are a few screenshots.

 

[IoannesBarbarus]

I also should have asked, what is your culture, as emperor?

 

[samerica514]

My culture is Greek.

 

[samerica514]

I didn't even know Counties could be viceroyal...

 

[samerica514]

*Bump*

Does anyone know if I can just add a localization file that could change this? I wasn't aware that having viceroyalties in EMF was a bug, and I don't particularly care that they're there. I just want to know how to change the names of the titles. The wiki says to make your own localization file, but that's to create a new title so I wasn't sure that still applied.

 

[samerica514]

Ok, I found a localization file in the EMF module that may be what causes these weird titles. The file is called zz~imperial_titles_unmodified.csv and it contains the following lines, among others:

imperial_king;Viceroy;Vice-roi;Vizekönig;;Virrey;;;;;;;;;x
imperial_duke;Minor Viceroy;Vice-roi mineur;Minderer Vizekönig;;Virrey Menor;;;;;;;;;x
imperial_count;Count Viceroy;Vice-roi comte;Graf Vizekönig;;Virrey Conde;;;;;;;;;x
imperial_baron;Baron Viceroy;Vice-roi baron;Baron Vizekönig;;Virrey Barón;;;;;;;;;x

So, maybe the problem has nothing to do with actual Viceroyalties. I'm listed as the heir to all of the duchies, but none of the Dukes have children, so that's normal. I'm guessing they are not actually viceroyalties, but this file is telling the game to use those names.

Unfortunately, I tried modifying the file with no success. For example, I added:

imperial_duke_greek_female;Doukissa;Doukissa;Doukissa;;Doukissa;;;;;;;;;x

However, upon loading the game, they're still called Minor Vicereines. As a sidenote, when I go to save the modified file (I have a backup, by the way), Excel gives me some kind of error message.

I tried clicking yes, but I don't know if that helped. Does anyone know how this works?

 

[Toa Kraka]

As a sidenote, when I go to save the modified file (I have a backup, by the way), Excel gives me some kind of error message.

Use Notepad++, not Excel, to edit Paradox games' .csv files. Excel can't deal with encoding, and (IIRC) also forces commas rather than semicolons.

 

[samerica514]

Use Notepad++, not Excel, to edit Paradox games' .csv files. Excel can't deal with encoding, and (IIRC) also forces commas rather than semicolons.

Thank you! I did not know about that. After trying to use Notepad++, I have not had any weird error messages pop up.

However, try as I might, I can't get the titles to change in-game by modifying zz~imperial_titles_unmodified.csv. I tried modifying existing lines, deleting existing lines, and adding my own lines, but none of it affected any change in-game. Does anyone know what file I should use? Or am I doing something else wrong?

EDIT: I also tried making my own .csv file in the same folder, editing it with Notepad++, and trying to change titles. That did not work either. I know all the Minor Viceroyalty, Count Viceroyal etc. titles didn't exist in Vanilla, so it must be the mod that does it. But the one file I could find that includes those titles doesn't seem to affect them in-game.

 

[IoannesBarbarus]

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, there are two problems with imperial localisations this reveals that will be fixed in the next release; in the meantime, you can fix your copy with this version of zz~imperial_titles_unmodified.csv for EMF without SWMH.

 

[samerica514]

I didn't even realize I was bringing up anything you guys might not know about, but I'm glad to be of service anyway. Thanks for being so helpful!

 

[zijistark]

I didn't even realize I was bringing up anything you guys might not know about, but I'm glad to be of service anyway. Thanks for being so helpful!

Yep, these titles' localisation have been in error in EMF+Vanilla (EMF without SWMH) since we introduced the imperial government form a few releases back. We've noticed that our EMF+Vanilla users tend to speak-up in these forums less, and so I suppose it's not a big surprise that this [minor] flop was allowed to exist as long as it did. Thanks again.

 

[zijistark]

FYI, the first EMF beta snapshot for the Zeus9 cycle is available now, and it includes the title localisation fix in EMF+Vanilla (i.e., plain EMF, which is what this thread regards) which @IoannesBarbarus linked. See the EMF Beta here.

[It also includes some other fairly big, by our standards, fixes and improvements.]