Duct-Tape The Theism, Mend the Schism. Vassalise 3 Popes, 7 Patriarchs & 2 Caliphs

  • We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.

Hackworthy

Ze Übermensch!
31 Badges
Dec 6, 2011
1.444
121
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Rome: Vae Victis
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Rome Gold
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • March of the Eagles
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Mount & Blade: Warband
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • 500k Club
  • War of the Roses
  • Victoria 2
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
Better to die for the Emperor than live for yourself.
 

Kekovian

Sergeant
27 Badges
Oct 29, 2012
77
0
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Magicka
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Divine Wind
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Stellaris
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cradle of Civilization
  • 500k Club
  • Europa Universalis IV: Third Rome
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
Not pictured: the immortal God-Emperor of Mankind as the Byzantine Emperor responsible for all this.

Added his picture :) Also added step 8 because I forgot to mention that I had made the Doukas linage into Sayyid Muhammad descendants.

I'm 90% sure it would work to
(1) Make yourself an anti-pope (vassalize Pope, get him to join Independence faction and surrender when they try to break away; you get weak inheritable claim on the Papacy, which makes the game think you and your subsequent heirs are anti-Popes).

Yup this will work, but you will lose the title of (anti)Pope as soon as you convert back to Orthodox. I had also tried that with Lollard seeing if I could have a Lollard anti-pope. Unfortunately he lost the title also.

If you instead landed any holy order/mercenary leader as a KING, then killed them, YOU would get the title.

Just make sure that your realm is ok with you having multiple extra duchies, as each holy order title counts as a separate ducal level title.

Epic.
Part of the fun that I have with sandbox games like this is seeing how far one can drive the engine to do crazy stuff. This sort of "emergent gameplay" is always fascinating to me. Bravo!

This is exactly my thoughts too. Of course I like to play the game as it was intended, but especially with sandbox games... finding a way of doing something unexpected is just as fun.

I hope they do (fix the invite loophole), and then someone manages to do it again anyway.

I think I actually know how to do it without using the Debbie invite trick. It takes quite a bit more scheming and considerably more time... but I'll wait to see how Paradox fixes it/changes it/comments on it, before making any stronger claims than that.

I wonder though, OP, what went through your head before you did this? Did it come gradually to do such lunacy, or as a flash of madness?
Of all things, I find vassalizing Mamluks the most astonishing. Not because it's the most difficult, but because it's the most gamey - it's so gamey it's beyond gamey :D

Started this campaign with the sole intention of vassalising all the Orthodox and Coptic churches. Wasnt planning on vassalising the Catholic Pope as I already knew that was possible as a Catholic. (Working out how to do it as an Orthodox was fun though!)

In all honesty, didnt even realise vassalising the Caliphs was possible... let alone being able to raise the Mamluks and Ghilmans. Even though I had known about the method of getting a strong Muslim claimant into the court for awhile now... I just had never used it to actually do it since accidently doing it the first time thinking I was matri-marrying my daughter to a dark skinned catholic in my realm.
 
Last edited:

Dakk

2nd lieutenant [inactive]
33 Badges
Dec 8, 2004
2.054
58
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Hearts of Iron III: Their Finest Hour
  • Leviathan: Warships
  • Magicka
  • Semper Fi
  • The Showdown Effect
  • War of the Roses
  • 200k Club
  • 500k Club
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury
  • Hearts of Iron II: Armageddon
  • For the Motherland
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Dungeonland
  • Deus Vult
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Cities in Motion
Ok, the added step 8 is just awesome, tasty, sweet sweeeet frosting on the insanity cake.
 

Novacat

Khajiit
5 Badges
Oct 9, 2010
9.193
743
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Semper Fi
  • 500k Club
Step 9: If you give a Holy Order/Mercenary unit a Kingdom, and then assassinate them shortly after, both the kingdom title and the mercenary title will pass to you.
 

Dakk

2nd lieutenant [inactive]
33 Badges
Dec 8, 2004
2.054
58
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Knight (pre-order)
  • Hearts of Iron III: Their Finest Hour
  • Leviathan: Warships
  • Magicka
  • Semper Fi
  • The Showdown Effect
  • War of the Roses
  • 200k Club
  • 500k Club
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury
  • Hearts of Iron II: Armageddon
  • For the Motherland
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Dungeonland
  • Deus Vult
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Cities in Motion
Step 9: If you give a Holy Order/Mercenary unit a Kingdom, and then assassinate them shortly after, both the kingdom title and the mercenary title will pass to you.
Too late:
If you instead landed any holy order/mercenary leader as a KING, then killed them, YOU would get the title.

Just make sure that your realm is ok with you having multiple extra duchies, as each holy order title counts as a separate ducal level title.

:)
 

Helios Ra

Captain
88 Badges
Dec 15, 2009
367
28
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Magicka
  • March of the Eagles
  • Crusader Kings II: Jade Dragon
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Rome Gold
  • Semper Fi
  • Sengoku
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Europa Universalis IV: Third Rome
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Cities: Skylines - After Dark
  • Cities: Skylines - Snowfall
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Darkest Hour
  • Deus Vult
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Divine Wind
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • For the Motherland
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Victoria 2 Beta
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Europa Universalis 4: Emperor
  • Europa Universalis IV
Hmm. I think at least the vassalizing Christian religious heads shouldn't necessarily be fixed. Think of it as reuniting Christianity under the umbrella of a more tolerant big-tent type in which you've reformed the Church so that the Emperor is God's disciple on Earth and the religious heads are merely his deputies.

Freaking awesome achievement though. I can't wait for a Paradox employee to see this in a few hours and spit out their morning tea/coffee/beer.
 

Kekovian

Sergeant
27 Badges
Oct 29, 2012
77
0
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Magicka
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Divine Wind
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Stellaris
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cradle of Civilization
  • 500k Club
  • Europa Universalis IV: Third Rome
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
On a related note, is it possible to become a non-muslim caliph, legitimately? I KNOW it can be done, but I have never done it outside of using the console(Not in the way you would think, either).

Yes you can.

My current game is 100% legitimate although I have gone back to some old saves to console test some alternate scenarios.
My ruler (pictured in step 8) has a weak claim on the Shia caliphate due to his father being a strong claimant and the guy I used to get Sayyid.
I found another strong claimant, got him married and invited to my court. Landed him next door to the Caliph. I did have to console switch to him to initiate the claim war... but we all know it would have happened sooner or later. Switched back to my guy and was able to war and win the caliphate.

I actually assumed that the caliphate would be destroyed after my next succession since the new heir is not Shiite... but it looks like the son has inherited the caliphate no problems.

No idea if he can call Jihad though. As I dont own SOI, Im not sure what the conditions are other than X number of years after the last one was called.
 

Lwantssugar

Lt. General
67 Badges
Aug 12, 2012
1.323
138
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • For the Motherland
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Stellaris: Synthetic Dawn
  • 500k Club
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Stellaris: Distant Stars
  • Mount & Blade: Warband
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Death or Dishonor
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rule Britannia
  • Mount & Blade: With Fire and Sword
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Together for Victory
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Stellaris
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Cadet
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Victoria 2
  • Hearts of Iron IV: La Resistance
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis IV: Dharma
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cradle of Civilization
  • Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass
  • Stellaris: Apocalypse
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Imperator: Rome Sign Up
  • Prison Architect
  • Europa Universalis IV: Golden Century
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Semper Fi
Not pictured; the Basilious proclaiming himself Sol Invictus and conquering like mad man
 

Mods

Colonel
39 Badges
Aug 17, 2011
999
29
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Lead and Gold
  • Magicka
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Mount & Blade: Warband
  • 500k Club
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Age of Wonders III
  • Victoria 2
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Crusader Kings II: Jade Dragon
  • Crusader Kings II: Holy Fury
  • Prison Architect
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Cities in Motion 2
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
I made the king of Sweden in my game Sayyid for fun when you could still matri-mary muslims :p
A non exploit-ish way would be pressing a de jure claim on a sayyid muslim, he would still your vassal and you could then matri-marry your daughter to one of his sons.
 

Jokolytic

Defensor Innocentis
13 Badges
Nov 25, 2012
2.723
122
forum.paradoxplaza.com
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Divine Wind
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • For the Motherland
  • Hearts of Iron III
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Semper Fi
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • 500k Club
Someone give this man a freakin' medal.

You may just be the first person to ubiquitously win the game.
 

Sarius1997

Hunter of Felines
67 Badges
Jan 21, 2012
2.878
874
www.youtube.com
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Reapers Due
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cossacks
  • Cities: Skylines Deluxe Edition
  • Rome: Vae Victis
  • Victoria 2: Heart of Darkness
  • Victoria 2: A House Divided
  • Victoria 2
  • Rome Gold
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Darkest Hour
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Divine Wind
  • Stellaris: Leviathans Story Pack
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Crusader Kings II: Monks and Mystics
  • Stellaris - Path to Destruction bundle
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Stellaris Sign-up
  • Hearts of Iron IV Sign-up
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition
  • Stellaris
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Crusader Kings II: Conclave
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Crusader Kings II: Horse Lords
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Crusader Kings II: Way of Life
  • Europa Universalis IV: Third Rome
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Surviving Mars
  • 500k Club
  • Warlock 2: The Exiled
  • Europa Universalis 4: Emperor
  • The Showdown Effect
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
How did PrawnStar win EUIII?

What about his under BB limit WC as England in 1765?
Or the one where he conquered nearly the whole world ( i think 10 provinces were missing) as Iroquis?
I think that´s pretty impressive and game-winning. ;)
 

Kekovian

Sergeant
27 Badges
Oct 29, 2012
77
0
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Magicka
  • Heir to the Throne
  • Europa Universalis IV
  • Divine Wind
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mandate of Heaven
  • Europa Universalis IV: Rights of Man
  • Stellaris
  • Europa Universalis IV: Mare Nostrum
  • Europa Universalis IV: Common Sense
  • Europa Universalis IV: El Dorado
  • Europa Universalis IV: Cradle of Civilization
  • 500k Club
  • Europa Universalis IV: Third Rome
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis III: Chronicles
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Europa Universalis IV: Art of War
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
We're waiting on a save B)
Oh, I just thought that was something people said lol. Didnt realise you actually wanted it... but yeah I dont mind sending the save game.

I just had a look and the file is 60MB. Is that normal? I remember when I used to play EUIII there was a save game issue where it was adding extra lines to the end of the file. Doesnt seem like that is happening here, but Im just not sure if 60MB is normal?

Could it be that big because I am a save game addict and also leave the game running all day even when Im not at home? lol
*shrugs*

Anyway, happy to send the file via one of those free mega file web senders if you want to message me an email address to my PM.
Id rather send the file individually rather than a pasted link just so I can see what kind of interest is in it :)

I will send the save of my Queen (mother of my Sayyid son) who has just reduced a Russian Empire sized Golden Horde down to a 1 duchy entity ready to work on taking the GH title.
Also, bonus task for anyone interested. I have just un-helped Venice in their defense of an invasion CB issued by their previously employed mercenary The White Company. The White Company now rules the Croatian coast...(independently temporarily)
 

Blastaz

Field Marshal
167 Badges
Nov 19, 2003
2.892
5.774
  • Europa Universalis: Rome Collectors Edition
  • Hearts of Iron IV: By Blood Alone
  • Hearts of Iron IV: No Step Back
  • March of the Eagles
  • Europa Universalis III: Collection
  • Imperator: Rome Deluxe Edition
  • Deus Vult
  • Hearts of Iron II: Armageddon
Congratulations!