duchy of athens

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why duchy of athens has france culture as state

 

[curtis]

It was one of the Latin states founded during 4th Crusade and they were usually ruled by the Italians or French.

EDIT: Here's what I was able to dig up on Wikipedia about the Duchy of Athens.

 

[Madrick]

Well that's right. In the fourth crusade they crushed the Byzantine Empire and instituted several states led by Europeans. But I wonder if the population didn't remain greek (as it still is today in that area). If their culture really changed the leaders must had suppressed a lot.

 

[curtis]

I believe the culture is supposed to reflect that of the state, not necessarily the people it ruled.

 

[Havard]

Well that's right. In the fourth crusade they crushed the Byzantine Empire and instituted several states led by Europeans. But I wonder if the population didn't remain greek (as it still is today in that area). If their culture really changed the leaders must had suppressed a lot.

The province is Greek, the government is Latin.


The question could be raised if the state culture shouldn't be Italian instead of French though...

 

[Madrick]

I believe the culture is supposed to reflect that of the state, not necessarily the people it ruled.

If that was strictly implemented the whole culture system in EU2 would be senseless because a province then would need to change culture after a few years of rule.

 

[Havard]

How come?

 

[Madrick]

I wanted to say: If a province's culture expressed the culture of it's government it would have to change its culture when it's ruled by another nation not having that culture as state culture.
Hell, 4 times "culture" in one sentence

 

[Havard]

There are two different cultures: The province culture represents the people, while the country culture represents the government.

 

[Ciçatrix]

I wanted to say: If a province's culture expressed the culture of it's government it would have to change its culture when it's ruled by another nation not having that culture as state culture.
Hell, 4 times "culture" in one sentence

I think you mis-understood Curtis, he was refering to the "National cutures" (the ones displayed in the country overview sidebar), and not the "provincial culture", as representing the culture of the establisment, government and administration.

 

[Sleepyhead]

I think you mis-understood Sleepyhead, he was refering to the "National cutures" (the ones displayed in the country overview sidebar), and not the "provincial culture", as representing the culture of the establisment, government and administration.

I never said that

 

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[Madrick]

What do you mean by that, Axeman ?

 

[Havard]

I am presuming it is some attempt of saying "Thank You"...

 

[Ciçatrix]

I never said that

Well, that was my interpretation of it, it is confusing when the word culture is used to cover the two concepts.

 

[Sleepyhead]

Well, that was my interpretation of it, it is confusing when the word culture is used to cover the two concepts.

I didn't even post in this thread until you mentioned my name.

 

[Ciçatrix]

I didn't even post in this thread until you mentioned my name.

:wacko:
I confused you with Curtis. I'm sure I saw your avatar.
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Sorry Curtis and Sleepyhead.

 

[curtis]

:wacko:
I confused you with Curtis. I'm sure I saw your avatar.
:wacko:
Sorry Curtis and Sleepyhead.

This is the most confusing thread ever.

 

[Madrick]

Yeah, it tricked me too ! :rofl:

 

[aylo1]

While the Duchy was founded by a Guy de la Roche, a Burgundian (French) knight, by the Eu2 period 1419-1820 ATH was ruled by the Acciajouli family which were a Florentine or Tuscan Banker clan, which made them Italian.

Just go into your euro2\scenarios\1419 folder & look for the file 1419_ath.inc & change it to whatever culture you want. A list of available eu2 cultures is found in euro2\config\text file. (the quickest way to find it is ctrl+f 'culture_italian' for eg)