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Hello. I just noticed this in my latest game and couldn't understand how it could have come about - the king of Frisia, vassal to the Holy Roman Emperor, is having one of his duchies, entirely under his control, incorporate into neighbouring France. Maybe I've missed something, but I'm pretty sure this is a bug.

http://i.imgur.com/UpvM8.jpg

I can provide my save file if required.
 
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I have a similar thing.
3 years after the duchy of Gelre gained its independance from his former liege the King of Lothringia it keeps being incorparated into the kingdom and even now that it is part of the Kingdom of England there is no change.

Seems to me the mechanic misses a function to check if the procress is still valid to stop and/or restarts it with a different target if not.

screenshot
 

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Flanders is a de jure duchy of France, it's entirely ahistorical to have it relate to Frisia, it's a bug that it belongs to Frisia in the first place.

For several decades it was one of the stronger vassals of the French Crown, what has Frisia to do with that?
 

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Flanders is a de jure duchy of France, it's entirely ahistorical, it's a bug that it belongs to Frisia in the first place.

No, that is WAD.

And please don't hijack bugreports, since your statement has nothing to do with the bug reported here.
 

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Oh, I think I got it...

The feature starts counting from 0 towards 100 as soon as a duchy belongs de-facto to a new kingdom (other than the current de-jure kingdom). Once the duchy does not belong to that kingdom anymore (no or another de-facto kingdom) this "countup" turns into a countdown (undoing the privious effects before a new incoperating can begin).
So in the OPs example in 1176 the countdown will reach 0 and the "de-incoperation" ends, while in my example in 1158 the countdown reaches 0 and I guess after that the countup for the new de-facto Kingdom of England will start. (Have still 18 years to go but I will report back than ;))

Now the big question is, if it works the way I described it, is that WAD or a bug? :confussed:
 

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I guess that is designed to allow for failed independence wars. A rebel who is independent for two years before you finally bring him back into line has, in effect, bought himself four more years of time to try and win a future rebellion before being absorbed.
 

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A, right, good point, hadnt thought about that.

But is it still WAD in extrem situations?

If in my example the lotharingian countup would have been at 99 it would have taken 199 years to make gelre english while if I had waited another year to fight for my independance it would have taken only 107 (2 years for independence war, an additinal 5 for the invasion of England and 100 years to count right up because there would be no need for a countdown to frisia). Since in that particular case (within an empire) the lotharingian crown laws dont effect me any way (but the emperors) the only differance would have been the kings de-jure claim for gelre but since he gets an inheritable claim because of me rebelling anyway it makes almost no differance (depending on how old his ruler(s) are/get). Sure 99 is an extrem but even at 50 years the resulting 150 (no matter what way I let it count) are more than 1/3 of the given timeframe, and 50 years to become independant as a count especally if you only get 1-2 fabricated claims in that time and have to breed others into your dynasty first isnt that long.

As a real example:
Right now gelre still needs 12 years of countdown while holland has allready 2 years of countup -> even though holland became part of england 3 years after gelre (and almost 10 years after gelre became independent) it takes gelre 15 years longer to become de-jure english.

So while I see the use/need of a countdown/delay I think it should have some kind of cap.
Like if there is a countdown for 10 years (and during that time no war between the duchy and the king) the incoperation gets reset to 0 since the king obviously wasnt interested/able to assimilate that duchy.

Right now Gelre still needs 12 years of countdown while holland has allready 2 years of countup -> even though holland became part of england 2 years after gelre (and almost 10 years after gelre became independent) it will take gelre 14 years longer to become de-jure english.
 

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It's WAD in order to prevent that loosing for 1 year a county of the duchy (count revolting) destroys 99 years of efforts.

The countdown without counting up for the other kingdom should be change to countdown and countup at the same time.
But currently, it's WAD.
 

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No, that is WAD.

And please don't hijack bugreports, since your statement has nothing to do with the bug reported here.

I will respectfully start a new thread about it and hope not to be called hijacker anymore.