Lately while playing with Poland I got fed up with teh determinism of the Ducal Prussia events.
It's obvious that the first thing a human playing Poland would try to destroy the TO. Historically speaking that's exactly what Kazimierz IV would if he had won a total victory over TO in 13 years war.
Fine, but what about the consequences? Let's say Poland annexes TO (by either force annexion or force vassalization+diplo annexion) And what now? A chain of events
- Livonian Order gets cores on Memel and Prussia.
- Brandenburg gets CB on Poland
- The Emperor gets CB on Poland or even worse. Maybe some sort of a crusade against Poland?
Ok so Poland manages to keep Ducal Prussia (as from now we will call it like that). Here comes 1524. An event titled "Protestant influence in Prussia" with a good story of Albrecht the converted livonian knight This event should have 2 choices:
1. "Create Prussia": release Prussia, +200 with Brandenburg, centralization +1, innovativeness +1, (possible a refinery in Danzig)
2. "Keep it": 3x revolt in Prussia and Memel, -100 with Brandenburg, revoltrisk +5 for 2 years (Poland was a tolerant state)
Yes I know this event looks weird and is not historically justified at all but it's here just to make the game back on historical track. Note that it gives an alternative and the current events don't give any :/
If we release them we have the historical Treaty of Krakow in which it's clearly stated that only males in the Prussian Hohenzollern line were allowed to inherit the Duchy. If there was no heir than polish king was allowed to incorporate Prussia into Corona.
On 5 XI 1611 Seym decided to allow the Hohenzollern-Brandenburg line to inherit the duchy after the end of Hohenzollern-Prussia line (http://alatusmortis.w.interia.pl/index_58.htm, although its in polish :/). This was caused by the polish involvement in dimitryada (spelled it correctly?) and that Zygmunt III was hoping to have Brandenburg as an ally in his war with Sweden, or at least keep them out of that war.
So an event that would trigger with atwar = yes would have the following options:
1. "Allow Hohenzollern-Brandenburg to inherit", +300 Brandenburg, Dynastic Brandenburg, +200 Emperor, some troops, triggers event 1 for Brandenburg)
2. "Incorporate into Corona", -200 Brandenburg, -100 Emperor, some desertions (to make it more painful), +3 RR for 3 years (it was szlachtas decision), -300 ducats (to buy off Hohenzollern suppporters ) -2 stability, trigger event 2 for Brandenburg, setflag Incorporate Prussia
Now an event triggered by IncorporatePrussia flag should annex Prussia and give Poland cores on Prussia and Memel (as this would be according to the Treaty of Krakow, justified annexion) and also -1 Land (more baltic-oriented), Naval +750, -300 ducats (the cost of incorporation).
The first event for Brandenburg (when they are allowed to inherit) should set a flag PrussiaYes.
The second one gives 3 options:
1. "It's Hohenzollern lands! It's ours!" It gives cores on Prussia and Memel and some troops (about 20k) + also some gold (300 ducats?) to simulate the sponsoring of a country with whom Poland is at war. Sets PrussiaNo.
2. "We have claims" Sets PrussiaNo. (shoudl it give cores?)
3. "We care not for the east!". Relations with Poland +300.
This way we don't force the player to release Prussia all the time and give the option to get cores on it but with a certain price.
Also Brandenburg would be able to become Prussia without owning it. They would still have the claim on the title Duke of Prussia. Of course becoming Prussia should be easier with PrussiaYes.
What do you think? It's only a proposal and yes I know that these events are mostly fiction and that they may be historically inaccurate but somethign should be done about the Prussia events.
It's obvious that the first thing a human playing Poland would try to destroy the TO. Historically speaking that's exactly what Kazimierz IV would if he had won a total victory over TO in 13 years war.
Fine, but what about the consequences? Let's say Poland annexes TO (by either force annexion or force vassalization+diplo annexion) And what now? A chain of events
- Livonian Order gets cores on Memel and Prussia.
- Brandenburg gets CB on Poland
- The Emperor gets CB on Poland or even worse. Maybe some sort of a crusade against Poland?
Ok so Poland manages to keep Ducal Prussia (as from now we will call it like that). Here comes 1524. An event titled "Protestant influence in Prussia" with a good story of Albrecht the converted livonian knight This event should have 2 choices:
1. "Create Prussia": release Prussia, +200 with Brandenburg, centralization +1, innovativeness +1, (possible a refinery in Danzig)
2. "Keep it": 3x revolt in Prussia and Memel, -100 with Brandenburg, revoltrisk +5 for 2 years (Poland was a tolerant state)
Yes I know this event looks weird and is not historically justified at all but it's here just to make the game back on historical track. Note that it gives an alternative and the current events don't give any :/
If we release them we have the historical Treaty of Krakow in which it's clearly stated that only males in the Prussian Hohenzollern line were allowed to inherit the Duchy. If there was no heir than polish king was allowed to incorporate Prussia into Corona.
On 5 XI 1611 Seym decided to allow the Hohenzollern-Brandenburg line to inherit the duchy after the end of Hohenzollern-Prussia line (http://alatusmortis.w.interia.pl/index_58.htm, although its in polish :/). This was caused by the polish involvement in dimitryada (spelled it correctly?) and that Zygmunt III was hoping to have Brandenburg as an ally in his war with Sweden, or at least keep them out of that war.
So an event that would trigger with atwar = yes would have the following options:
1. "Allow Hohenzollern-Brandenburg to inherit", +300 Brandenburg, Dynastic Brandenburg, +200 Emperor, some troops, triggers event 1 for Brandenburg)
2. "Incorporate into Corona", -200 Brandenburg, -100 Emperor, some desertions (to make it more painful), +3 RR for 3 years (it was szlachtas decision), -300 ducats (to buy off Hohenzollern suppporters ) -2 stability, trigger event 2 for Brandenburg, setflag Incorporate Prussia
Now an event triggered by IncorporatePrussia flag should annex Prussia and give Poland cores on Prussia and Memel (as this would be according to the Treaty of Krakow, justified annexion) and also -1 Land (more baltic-oriented), Naval +750, -300 ducats (the cost of incorporation).
The first event for Brandenburg (when they are allowed to inherit) should set a flag PrussiaYes.
The second one gives 3 options:
1. "It's Hohenzollern lands! It's ours!" It gives cores on Prussia and Memel and some troops (about 20k) + also some gold (300 ducats?) to simulate the sponsoring of a country with whom Poland is at war. Sets PrussiaNo.
2. "We have claims" Sets PrussiaNo. (shoudl it give cores?)
3. "We care not for the east!". Relations with Poland +300.
This way we don't force the player to release Prussia all the time and give the option to get cores on it but with a certain price.
Also Brandenburg would be able to become Prussia without owning it. They would still have the claim on the title Duke of Prussia. Of course becoming Prussia should be easier with PrussiaYes.
What do you think? It's only a proposal and yes I know that these events are mostly fiction and that they may be historically inaccurate but somethign should be done about the Prussia events.
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