- Jan 30, 2006
YodaMaster said:The proposal in page 3 is for human "only". Don't forget a player can't be inherited and a player can do much better than AI in conquests. In this case, the goal for a player is to avoid inheritance before event fires and keep going on plausible track to the Kingdom of Prussia... or not.
For sure conquest are not a problem for human. I suppose that we could do similar trick as with Aragon and Castille.
Prussia accepts Hohenzollerns, later inherit Brandenburg and changes back into Brandenburg with capital in Berlin, IMO no problemo and no need to inven silly and unplausible event chains. In 1618 Prussia gains Hohenzollern as monarch and he just decides that his Prussian part is more important.
What the heck, if he "owns" both Brandenburg and Prussia he might to decide to break with Emperor completely becoming for now still Ducal Prussia and later changing into Kingdom of Prussia. Theoretically he is Polish vassal, so would gain Polish support and would not be alone in fight against Emperor. Later human/AI breaks vassalge with Poland when it is convinient (we could script it, e.g. in event creating Kingdom of Prussia (we would probably need to copy some Brandenburg events for such Prussia anyway) or leave it to human/engine)
And since it will be non-ai specific event chain human can take care for himself
Don't forget PRU tag is used for Ducal Prussia and Kingdom of Prussia and Ducal Prussia won't be inherited if involved countries are no more... A player avoiding inheritance will receive good monarchs of the Kingdom without becoming the kingdom.... Not wanted.
That's why alternative was proposed for a player to form the Kingdom of Prussia in some circumstancies. For AI, there is no real problem with this alternative, country will be inherited at 99,99% chance.
If Brandenburg is no more and Ducal Prussia gets Hohenzollern dynasty they may make claims to Brandenburg, and human will reconquer it. (IIRC Castille-Aragon-Spain event also have version when one country is missing, the gein cores and culture and is fine)
The problem IMO is what to do for AI. Because if AI led Spain can reconquer Aragon, I do not see AI of Ducal Prussia reconquering Berlin. And it leaves small ducal Prussia with leaders, events and monarchs of Kingdom of Prussia. So we need new TAG, but it was already proposed to reuse TAG of teutonic order. IMO the most probable/historically plausible solution is incorporation of Prussia into Poland, or we can play with alternative monarchs basing on other sons in law of Albrecht:
1) inherited by Courland and no problem
2) change tag to Teutonic Order and make new dynasty based on descendatns of Margrave of Brandenburg-Bayreuth
And lack of Poland is no problem. Human Prussia can get event giving him "inheritance" of Brandenburg anyway (and he does need to ask Poland for permission). And i options B we can still change country to Teutonic Order with Bayeruth dynasty.
- for human no problem: Prussia inherits Brandenburg or get claims if Brandenburg is missing (in B and C options other alternatives like becoming Courland or changing into LAT)
- if Poland has something against Hohenzollerns in Prussia (option B), Poland will get cores etc and maybe Prussia starts war
- for AI Prussia: Poland should decide fate of Prussia
- if Brandenburg does not exist or refused treaty in 1618 Ducal Prussia is inherited by A) Poland, B) Courland C) changes into Teutonic Order with new dynasty