- Aug 1, 2002
It does rather sound like the south has given the Union a bloody nose, even if they've scarred their own knuckles a bit in the adminstering.
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…many in the North have cried foul upon our fine nation, they have announced that this bitter struggle is for the fate of slaves but I tell you gentlemen what I tell the world this war is nothing to do with the institution of slavery or our treatment of the Negro! They have perfidiously invaded our peaceful land seeking to enslave our proud sons; they care not for the slave but for their own power…
…the Negro slave has always been cherished by their owners and this great nation, they had worked hard and done us proud and we know that they shall do all we ask of them. As such I make an offer to our friends this day, Negro brother rise up and fight for your country, come and swear allegiance to the ‘Stars and Bars’ and your sacrifice shall make you free!…
I have an admission to make, as the campaigns have gone almost historically they are all maps from wiki... I have made some alterations to some of them tho. oEstonianzulu said:I've got to know... where do you make/get those beautiful maps?
Thank you very much for the compliment, if you want to know about the issue you could look here http://www.civilwarhistory.com/slavetrade/blacksoldiersCSA.htm there were actually quit a few black soldiers in the CSA ArmyCaligo said:Well it's all very intersting so far but i'm not sure how well freed slaves would integrate into an army of to be honest incredibly racist people (sweeping generalisation).
So am ICaligo said:I'm also intersted to see how this issue would work out once the CSA won.
Well I seem to recall that Britain was very close to offering mediation on quite a few occasions... and with a massive tactical victory and an impending strategical victory?El Pip said:Hmm, still not sure the UK and France would want to commit to actual recognition of the CSA. The Confederates were never going to conquer the US (I don't believe anyone even seriously suggested it) so any post-war world will have the US in it, thus no-one is going to needlessly offend them by recognising the 'rebels'. They'd need a big reason to commit to anything beyond in-direct aid through intermediaries, even allowing for the UK being more annoyed with the US over the Trent Affair.
Davis has basically said that the war is not about slavery and that blacks have always been a part of the CSA... the UK public may not totally 'buy' it but enough may?El Pip said:The main changes I see are Lincoln's freed the slaves (mostly, not totally put close enough for general consumption to get the gist) and Davis has 'allowed' black soldiers to join an army desperately short of manpower. It's not a good comparison to present back home, especially to an abolitionist public.
You may be right, but I hope that Davis has done enough for any offer of midiation may be looked upon as a stop to the bloodshed instead of sideing with one side or another... especially if everyone thinks the south's going to win?El Pip said:"Yes we're siding with the slave owning CSA against the slave freeing USA because the CSA has allowed slaves to join the army and fight and die so that slavery can continue."
I wouldn't want to be the politician making that speech would you?
Have I ever Pippy? Thanks for the support dude!El Pip said:Still, don't let that put you off, I'll be interested to see where you go with this Wolfey.
Thank you very much sir, so far I've made only four changes;BritishImperial said:this is pretty good mate. maps especially, and you must have done a hell of a lot of research. i know nothing about the american civil war really, is this what really happened or a version which gives the south a chance?