Downward Trending Prestige

[Duuk]

Far be it from me to suggest prestige inflation, but things cost quite a bit of prestige and getting it back takes forever.

As Duke of Brandenburg with 7 Counts/Bishops as vassals, I get less than 1 prestige per month.

When I want to switch out a useless woman vassal with one of my now-grown sons I take a 40-Prestige hit AND a bb hit.

Here I am, the most powerful Duke of Northern Germany (at this point in the game I'm probably a bit stronger than the King of Germany!) and I have negative prestige.

I'm not a warmonger. If this game requires me to be at war to gain prestige I'm going to be very upset. The whole idea behind CK is to play a dynasty, but I can't seem to get my dynasty very far unless I resort to HoI style wargaming.

Especially since as a Duke I'm only gaining 0.7 prestige a month and I have 4 sons who are soon to be 16 which will mean -0.4 month for them being non-landed.

So having a large, successful family is a penalty in a game about dynasties?

 

[J.J.E.]

Prestige growth is fine IMHO. The solution would be to lower the prestige hits instead. Those penalties are way too high considering the low growth in prestige.

 

[Duuk]

Amazing that you found a way to both agree and disagree with me

 

[unmerged(28103)]

In my opinion prestige costs and gains are well balanced. If you need more you can always marry your children, courtiers, etc. I like that the fact that you cant just go claiming half of Europe during one characters lifetime but instead the game encourages using clever marriages rather than your armies. Anyway others will disagree im sure

 

[unmerged(485)]

In my opinion prestige costs and gains are well balanced. If you need more you can always marry your children, courtiers, etc. I like that the fact that you cant just go claiming half of Europe during one characters lifetime but instead the game encourages using clever marriages rather than your armies. Anyway others will disagree im sure

I agree - seems well balanced. If you want a WC game there are exploits you can use. Too much prestige means too much conquest too often.

If you ahve a bad situation - get through it the best you can and hope you do better with the next generation.

 

[InnocentIII]

Marriages.

1 prestige per month for a Duke sounds fine to me. I'm King of England and Wales and have many Dukes and only get around 2.3.

For faster prestige try marrying off some courtiers (at least when the offer comes to you) or children. Also, see what titles you can create. Costs gold gives prestige.

Even at 2.3 the pace of prestige gain, with marriages, seems high. If you want to play as a Duke I think you just have to get used to a slower pace to your game - marry into the useless woman's family instead of invading her. Also, repeated offers of vassalization are overpowered, you can grab a few counties (if there are independent ones) very easily.

Finally, always grab the count title, then merely create the Duchy when you get the chance. You get prestige rather than losing it (at least for now: seems like an exploit?).

 

[State Machine]

My general experience is that prestige growth around 0.5 to 1.0 (!) is just fine for a Duke. And completely typical.

Despite the restrictions in 1.01 in regards to marriage-making, jumps in prestige come from marriages and peace deals.

But really, prestige is endless if you want to spend it and do conquests. It is quite easy. Piety is where the real action is - gaining of it and dealing with impossible Crusade demands, while suffering BB penalty for suppressing revolts...

 

[Derek Pullem]

Got to agree with State. It's a nasty suprise when your heir with 5 sons inherits and you have to partition your lovely Kingdom - but thats what makes the game more fun as you can't always expand like a virus across the map.

PS - why exactly do I need to go crusading again? Will someone explain why its a good thing?

Most of my best land grabs are when my liege is in the Holy Land

 

[Winkelried]

PS - why exactly do I need to go crusading again?

An army? If you're talking about the crusader trait that's completely arbitraty AFAIK.

Will someone explain why its a good thing?

You gain lots of piety which you will need because of the crusader expectation.

You gain technologically advanced land. In my last game as France the muslims conquered all of southern Italy. I took it from them and kept it as demesne.

Last but not least: it's fun.