Download CORE 0.70.1

[Tegetthoff]

Ok, just to get the organisation right:

Can Armd upload his files during the week or send them to Dec? And Dec post a compilation of changes by the weekend, for me to make a build?
Alternatively, Armd can upload what he has before the weekend, I can make a build (0.70.2) and Dec can then add his material and I make another build (0.70.3)?

Personally, I am travelling during most of the week without access to the game, so any work I do can start on Friday.

Regards

Teg

 

[ArmdChair]

A few issues to tie down, then I will upload the files so you can have at them soon. Actually, I may have tracked down all the references in the other files already. Still, being checked is good.

 

[dec152000]

Hi,

Standing by for the files. Will need a day or so for the work.

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[Hagar]

Hagar, those look great. I will have more for a later version, but I have a lot more work to do on that list first. For those, I will be more than happy to let you search for pix to your heart's content, as there won't be a rush. Some of those may prove quite a challenge.

I expect as much... Still, it can't hurt to give it a try.

 

[ArmdChair]

http://www.mediafire.com/download/6yml8rmda5c6ywv/integration_completed.rar

This should be complete. I did start a bad habit of working in the game files while I was testing, but I think I fixed that. If you have any questions, please just let me know. I can respond after I return home from work each day. I have included the change file and a file denoting an inventory of the files I have included for integration. I have sent along 74 files, but may have actually only worked on 72. BEL_36.inc and vp.inc may not have any changes, but I included them because I had thought there were some.

I suppose if any want a preview, you can download the file and when you un-RAR it, all the files can be found in the same subdirectory structure as they are found in mod-CORE2.

If you find discrepancies that you may not be sure about, it would be best to ask. lol.

I look forward to seeing the map changes in the next version.

 

[dec152000]

Hi,

Downloaded for review.

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[ArmdChair]

dec, that reminds me. Did you shorten any Naval Ship ranges?

As the USA, I now have to build Bases at Johnson AND Phoenix Islands to be able to reach Samoa. Never used to. AI doesn't seem to have to. Seems to affect DD6 and TP4 the most.

 

[dec152000]

Hi,

No, I haven't made any changes there lately. Both of those units are intentionally short ranged. DD 8 & 9 are much better for the Pacific. This is absolutely historical for these vessels unrefueled. Unfortunately there is no decent way to model topping off at a forward location or at sea replenishment. For the TP the 8 and 9 are also a lot better. this is more of a game device than strictly RW. One other way to overcome the issue is to simply Rebase. You'll need to build the Base in samoa first. But that is why there is a small initial supply Pool located there.

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[dec152000]

Hi,

One relatively major simple change I'm looking at is shifting the GER Partial Mobilization Trigger. Right now GER goes to PM after The Anschluss or the Sudeten Crisis. This seems to be excessive considering the amount of additional IE GER already gets during the buildup phase. It is also problematic for a game mechanics issue as neither of these events get the Allies/Soviets up to PM. So GER could sit at PM rather indefinitly if they didn't provoke a war. What I'm considering is shiffting it to the End of CZE. I think this will give a better overall effect. Opinions?

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[Zsar1]

Mmh. Considering that Germany invaded Austria with regular troops and the only reason for no shots fired is the Austrian side standing down, something along the lines of mobilisation should certainly happen at this point - probably even sooner, (hist. two days before the planned referendum, one day before the invasion.

Mayhap values could be shifted instead towards the next mobilisation step; after all, "partial" does not tell anything about size of the "part".

From a pure game mechanics point of view, the idea seems fine though.
... Well, you did note that you see GER underperform too often, so I am not too sure whether this change is wise; the outcome of Barbarossa seems to hinge a lot on the first few months of the operation, so the number of units available may well outweight the reserve of MP (esp. as new MP is freed in the mobilisation step after DOW vs. SOV).

 

[Blecky]

If you´re worried about a GER not going to war while partially mobilized for much too long, why don´t you give them a (frequent) dissent hit after some time, like Rhineland occupation.

 

[Tegetthoff]

When following the historical course, GER now gets to build more or less exactly a realistic OOB. With a later PM, they would probably underbuild, especially as AI.

The bigger exploit is going to FM prior to "Danzig or War" and then NOT going to war, which is possible. So we really should think about this first.

 

[dec152000]

Hi,

I will note that most nations under build the RW OOB pre war. This is definitely the case with FRA, which is the main cause for concern about the GER OOB. Which IMO is actually a bit fat prewar. This is mainly d2 the Air units being somewhat over the RW amounts. I've recently shifted this aspect to slightly lower TAC builds. These are relatively expensive units and have a lot of upgrade costs in 1939 d2 the Escort attachment. So these tend to inhibit new unit builds right as GER mobilizes.

WRT Unternehmen Otto itself, I believe all of 5 divisions were in fact utilized. So around 15% of German forces max. Reports indicate this was not exactly executed with military precision. More of a thrown together effort. As such I don't really think this is enough to claim this was a PM level event.

Danzig or War: Agree, this should not fire FM by itself as it's too easy to game this as a player and the effect of getting fM a few days early is negligible.

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[Zsar1]

The bigger exploit is going to FM prior to "Danzig or War" and then NOT going to war, which is possible. So we really should think about this first.

Raising the stakes at the exploit game, I find it very nice to declare war on HOL and BEL before "Danzig or War" or even the MR-Pact. ENG counter-dow follows and lowers belligerence, POL just sits there and waits until I am done with FRA.
... Earlier IC increase / CG demand decrease, only one front, shorter path to Moscow, nothing not to love.

I have mulled for a bit how to fix that nicely. Having POL join the allies in the corresponding event chain seems to be viable and somewhat historical. ... Of course that does not allow the german side to "misjudge" the allies' readiness to support Poland.
- Probably good enough to be implemented as a stopgap measure anyway.

WRT Unternehmen Otto itself, I believe all of 5 divisions were in fact utilized. So around 15% of German forces max. Reports indicate this was not exactly executed with military precision. More of a thrown together effort. As such I don't really think this is enough to claim this was a PM level event.

Mmh. Also true.
If GER would go to PM immediately in case of war with AUS, I guess it might be fine enough.

 

[ArmdChair]

No feedback? So much for anticipation. heh.

dec, yes, I do Rebase. I think I will just live with it. It wasn't getting any better after Forward Basing and/or Underway Replenishment either, just saying.

FRA does not build a historical OOB cuz their Economy SUCKS EGGS. roflmao. Have any of tried to play France? If not, please do. Quite the experience.

RE "Exploits". A GER player should be subject to more DoWs if they start attacking all their little neighbors early. Allowing the USA into the war (against GER, but not JAP) in 1937 might prove a deterrent to some. lol.

 

[dec152000]

Hi,

Almost done reviewing the files. Found a few minor issues. But nothing too much. Looks like a good job!

FRA: Have played as FRA. As a player I thought I was short and the AI is generally worse. The problem is more IC for FRA just ends up being more IC for GER later. Plus the RW numbers pretty much support the current set up. Any suggestions would be considered.

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[Tegetthoff]

Ok, I´v got a more or less free weekend ahead of me to do a build, so waiting for Dec´s post.

 

[Kennelly]

BEL/HOL: Maybe add NAPs between GER and BEL/HOL expiring in September 1939?

For FRA, maybe disable the "Political Instability" events to reduce their dissent. Or does France really lack base IC?

 

[dec152000]

Hi,

I've already cut back the Instability events a bit. We could reduce them even more. But this is just a small effect. The main issue for FRA is that they simply have a much smaller economy than GER and have a large standing army that burns a lot of supplies.

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[ArmdChair]

Frankly, FRA works fine (just not worth being a Player). What FRA might be able to use are "call up the reserves" events not starting until GER attacks POL (or FRA, BEL, HOL, LUX, etc). They had a large army in theory, but most of it was reservists, I think. They called out the troops in Sep/Oct of 1939, but not before.

dec, I forgot. Would you please consider changing USA leader Van Voorhis from Panzer Leader to Old Guard? Somebody in vanilla was reading propaganda. He was about as Old Guard as they get. Plus, have we ever tried to keep the USA leader MacArthur out of the USA lists until Japan declares War and the Philippines fall? Weird that he is a leader for both from the start.