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Guik

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I played with two nations who have a good rank, one is a great power and other is a secondary power,but suddenly these two nations were no longer able to buy resources to supply the industries (coal, iron ...), so I researched the problem and realized that I would have to have the minimum wage reform active to have access to the market. I wanted to know why it happens and what is the logic, and also to know if this is a bug.
 

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If it was late game, it may have been general resource unavailability. Have you tried conquering coal and iron provinces to deal with your shortfalls?

It was around 1860 - 1870, I had only a few territories with coal, which was not enough to supply all the factories, but the strange thing is that most products on the market were not available to my nation, and I had a number considered prestigious, I don't know if this is a coincidence, but this situation occurred both times when the socialist ideology appears in the game.
 

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Well, this is why I strive for one of the top three positions by that time. What was your GP rank?

Also, what nations were in your sphere?

And which nation were you playing?
 

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There are going to be times where the top GPs buy up all of a commodity, and nobody else can get it until they've got enough for their current projects. That seems to have been far worse in the base game than in the expansions, where things like cement would vanish for 2 years until somebody got enough of it to build another cement plant, and a few decades later you almost couldn't give the stuff away, which is about the time the AI-driven capitalists would build 6 more cement plants in your country.

Since you don't have the game registered here on the Paradox site (no game icons showing in your signature block), I don't know which version of the game you're playing.
 

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It has nothing to do with minimal wage, you are just bottle-necking on raw supply, probably coal.

And rank has nothing to do with it, you can starve for coal at midgame even being a top GP if you depending mostly on world market.
 

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Well, this is why I strive for one of the top three positions by that time. What was your GP rank?

Also, what nations were in your sphere?

And which nation were you playing?

One was playing with the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies and the other with the Oranje, the first was under the specter of France but then I managed to leave, when I became a GP, the second was under the specter of the United Kingdom, but the problem occurred in both nations
 

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There are going to be times where the top GPs buy up all of a commodity, and nobody else can get it until they've got enough for their current projects. That seems to have been far worse in the base game than in the expansions, where things like cement would vanish for 2 years until somebody got enough of it to build another cement plant, and a few decades later you almost couldn't give the stuff away, which is about the time the AI-driven capitalists would build 6 more cement plants in your country.

Since you don't have the game registered here on the Paradox site (no game icons showing in your signature block), I don't know which version of the game you're playing.


I think I understand, so in some part of the game it is normal for some nations to run out of goods. Is there any way to avoid this without going up the ranking of nations? I'm playing the game with Heart of Darkness
 

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I'd say both of those nations lack coal and iron internally and didn't get enough GP status to beat out the other nations in bidding for goods.

And if the UK is your sphere lord, it *will* wreck your economy.
 

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And is there a way to avoid this scarcity if your nation has not achieved a good rank?

Don't be uncivlised, they share the whole market with their overlord, while civilised do only share 20 percent or 30 or so, produce the stuff yourself,
have good techs to increase RGO or factory production. Check what your produce and if you use the ressource some other way.

Coal and iron are used a lot simply for maintenance of factories, also the case for cement.
Machine parts are used for maintenance. Regarding maintenance, steel is also used by ships.
So a lot of goods are simply used to keep a factory working or unit runnning, not only to produce or consume something.

Aside of that,..
- get your admininstration closer to 100% to increase taxes and reduce crime.
- get aforementioned the and education up to simply help POPs to get out of unemployment and poverty.
- With high admin and education the status changes of your POPS wil be higher and thus required changes for examples artisans to either promote or demote.
-> more taxes, while also higher needs, but that's how it goes and should pay for itself.
 

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As deanwebb pointed out in the first reply to your dilemma, if you don't have the necessary raw materials available internally, take them from someone else, preferably a non-civ.
 

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It doesnt matter; a small nation like Oranje inside of a big GP sphere will always get rekt economically regardless of being civ or unciv.

If it doesn't matter, why reply here or play the game at all...:rolleyes:
 

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If it doesn't matter, why reply here or play the game at all...:rolleyes:

?

Because the guy doesnt know (and nether do you?) that "a small nation like Oranje inside of a big GP sphere will always get rekt economically regardless of being civ or unciv" and i (and others) are telling him that so he doesnt be a "a small nation like Oranje inside of a big GP sphere " to succeed?
 

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?

Because the guy doesnt know (and nether do you?) that "a small nation like Oranje inside of a big GP sphere will always get rekt economically regardless of being civ or unciv" and i (and others) are telling him that so he doesnt be a "a small nation like Oranje inside of a big GP sphere " to succeed?

You can get "economically rekt" as you describe it even as a GP.
Anyway, i'm done with this argument.
Back to watching old football recordings on Youtube and/or playing Victoria II....or both ! :)
 

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I dont think i said otherwise.

I could respond to that, but as i said i'm done with this and rewatching the 98 minutes of last seasons Norwich City vs Millwall game
on Youtube is far more tempting. :p
 

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For me, the key takeaway is that if we want to play a small nation that is no more than a secondary power or number 7 or 8 on the GP list, we have to be prepared for the bigger nations to be ahead of us in line for resources and for those nations to potentially clear the supply with their demand. Towards the second half of the game, there simply won't be enough stuff for everybody - hence the need to conquer those resources, whether through the Great Game in Africa and Asia, sphering nations here and there - and puppeting them if need be, or engaging in wars of aggrandizement on the European continent when all other methods have failed to provide sufficient inputs for your domestic markets.

A nation as resource-blessed as a full USA may not need to make those grabs, but it also tends to rise to the upper ranks of the GPs once immigration gets underway and those new arrivals head straight for the factories.