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Okay, Sorry!
NP - it is easy to slip into dangerous territory - I have seen some threads wander off into minefields very quickly.
I fear my knowledge of Nationalist China would make an AAR pretty one dimensional. And at the moment I don't think HOI4, even with BI, is enough to stimulate my interest enough to commit to an AAR. (As you may guess, I don't do "short and sweet". More extremely long and painful).
And the mechanics of HOI 4 are so very different that a similar AAR to this is not possible. But I have some ideas and, when I have played it a little more (I keep abandoning games either because I am bored or because of an update by Paradox or BI) I may start something. On the other hand, I don't have time to do 2 AARs, so while I ponder I can keep this one going, even if a bit slower than in the past.
There is no way I would start something without letting my readers know: I need constant praise and encouragement. And I am afraid it has been a little while since I could keep up a weekly report: I think 10 days is about my limit now.
I am not sure I have a sub that could get that far, and even less sure that it would survive the RN and its allies.
The RAF has been rebuilding and still outnumbers me in the west. I have another five interceptors being built, then I will wait for jet fighters to become available.
As for the east: we are moving slowly forward, though the Kursk salient is a problem. There are about 250,000 men in the city so I will not be taking it soon.
Some of those victories are defeats. Any battle where I lose more than say 2,000 men is a defeat as I cannot afford such losses.
It takes a long time for air units to rebuild: weeks. I am constantly detaching geschwader and leaving them to recover and then reforming units.
Yes, a long time and it was only because it advanced too far. It was not because I advanced so quickly that it got caught.
I think it was George Parr who said a long time ago that the event chain had been broken when Vichy declared war on me. (If it was not George Parr, my apologies to whomever pointed this out). I have no idea if this is correct as I have not looked into the event files for some time - I prefer to be surprised, even by nasties.
I have garrisoned most of the ports in the east and have a lot of cavalry and 2nd rate inf in the interior, but nothing really capable of prolonged fighting.
No real hope of Stalingrad or the oil fields: not because I can't get there, I think I could if I pushed. But I have not got the units to maintain a front that large. The spearheads would be cut off, just as in RL.
If I could cut off Kursk that would be good, but don't expect it soon. A lot of to and fro in the area, and the Soviet AI is well aware of the importance of the surrounding provinces.
I'm still amazed how you haven't completely bled dry yet...
Getting close: at the end of 26/5 (next update should be in a few days) my MP is down to 135.
Not sure whether you are asking why I use "code" or why I provide the details.
"Code" is not part of the HOI4 code. On the Paradox forums all formatting is lost and there is no way to place a table. The only way I have found to make it even vaguely readable is to use the "code" option provided for inserting text.
As for why do I provide such details, I suppose the real answer is because I keep those stats for my own satisfaction and think that some readers might be interested in seeing how individual battles end up. Like most of the stats I provide, it is the way I play. I have no idea if anyone actually reads them, but they are there if anyone wants to. Of course, the whole AAR is just a mass of detail, but I like it and so apparently do others. I find it gives me a better appreciation of the game.
I wouldn't mind a rough week, It is the rough months that are the problem. Another few months of this and my MP reserves will be gone and the Wehrmacht will start to get weaker.
Of course, if the USA invades, that becomes academic. I don't have spare combat ready divisions to form a western front and Italy will not be much use.
i personally love all the extra numbers you add in
the total losses being my favorite for one reason or another
whatever it is i find reading them and watching them creep ever up to be incredibly satisfying
back on the main issues here
if you cannot hope to take the oil fields, nor take kursk, do you actually believe that you can outlast the soviet industry?
also another interesting idea for an AAR imo would be a multiplayer one, though finding someone to play with might be hard xD
and i can live with 10 days between reports
so long as i get to watch the germans grind their way through the russians
the total losses being my favorite for one reason or another
whatever it is i find reading them and watching them creep ever up to be incredibly satisfying
back on the main issues here
if you cannot hope to take the oil fields, nor take kursk, do you actually believe that you can outlast the soviet industry?
also another interesting idea for an AAR imo would be a multiplayer one, though finding someone to play with might be hard xD
and i can live with 10 days between reports
so long as i get to watch the germans grind their way through the russians
you should put all your loss numbers into excel and then crunch out some nice graphs detailing the weekly losses of Barbarossa and then have graphs also for Soviet losses.
Maybe even ratios for losses suffered between the combatants!
Maybe even ratios for losses suffered between the combatants!
Im not saying you have to do 2 at once. And remember, you don't HAVE to do a Nationalist china AAR. I'd love it of course, but don't feel obligated to do so.
Doppelgänger: the Untold Story of the Third Reich
1944 will be marked as the year the Luftwaffe entered the jet age. Many of the senior officers in Berlin were once pilots, and every one of them cannot stop talking about the successful completion of tests on the new jet engine. This has cleared the way for the development of a jet fighter and the funding and resources were approved as soon as the request arrived. According to the best estimates, we should be able to start production in just a few months. Then the RAF will get its well deserved punishment.
With that start it would have taken a severe reverse to upset me, and nothing of the sort occurred. It was the complete opposite as an unfortunate Russian division threw itself onto the guns of Bork's 204.ID in Sviristsa. I may have been a bit wary of Dippold's attack on Lotoshino given the disaster there yesterday, but he has only detected 2nd line troops so far and has no qualms about advancing further. So the early reports were, if not positive, at least not disturbing.
The next two items however were unequivocally wonderful news. In the deep south, in Veselovskoye, Steiner accepted the surrender of Gorelen's 10th NKVD Rifle Division. Gorelen may have escaped, but 6,000 of his men died in the battle and a thousands more are now prisoners of war. That would have been enough to brighten my day, but it was followed by the collapse of the huge Soviet attack on Komarichi. Not even 182,000 men could force our tanks to retire, and finally, after more than 17,000 of his men lost their lives, Lopatin has admitted defeat. Another huge victory parade is being prepared in Berlin.
Thousands of prisoners have been taken in several battles
The lift in morale was immediately detectable in all correspondence from the front, and even three defeats in a row could not shake that confidence. It had been clear from the start that 9.ID had far too few men to dislodge the defenders of Podporozhe, no matter how well things were going for the Leningrad Armee. It was a similar story for "Feuerwehr" in Lema: insufficient firepower for the task. The Moscow Armee had to accept that von Drebber's strategy in Belyy had failed completely, adding to the huge death toll that our attempts to take that essential province has generated. Defeating the Guards cavalry in Shugozero was some consolation for General List, though as is often the case the horsemen fled before losses got too high.
Confidence may have still be high, but not so high that our commanders were ready to hurry any attacks. It was very late on Saturday that Felzmann felt ready to try again for Lema, and even so his prospects are not good. In the meantime, Stavka began three new battles, all multi-division attacks. Rylsk and Olenino present some danger, mainly due to the level of exhaustion of our defending troops, but in Safonovo Riebel's 90,000 men are in peak condition and he is anticipating giving Semenovskiy a torrid time.
The predictable defeat of the Soviet push into Sviritsa did encourage a small response by Bork's 203.ID, but mercifully Bork came to his senses and called back his unit before too many men were lost. Not the best day I could imagine, but plenty of promise for the future.
Our leaders preferred to launch attacks under the cover of night, beginning with the Austrian Division's move on Sevsk just after midnight. Scheller is another hoping to drain the enemy supply reserves in order to win against high odds, but in Duderovskiy General Arndt believes that 223.ID can defeat Zhirov's 100,000 defenders by force of arms. On paper that appears a doubtful assumption, but in Mozhaysk von Arnim's motorised infantry are already well on the way to clearing out Yegerov's tanks and conscripts. To cap off an aggressive start to the day, before daylight the Russians turned back from Rylsk, finding that even with ammunition lockers almost empty that Nehring's 180,000 panzer and infantry force was quite able to defend itself.
The defence of Rylsk was in good hands
With dawn came two more significant victories. The forests of Dolotskoye could not protect the Red Army from the methodical progress of Olbricht's operation and, as predicted, Riebel took the opportunity of an assault on his formidable forces to hand out a lesson in superior firepower. That he decided in the elation of the moment to follow the retreating Russians into Izdeshkovo is possibly not a wise decision, as he has run into two armour divisions taking full advantage of the terrain. That rash decision fades into insignificance however when compared to Student's ordering of 7th Flieger Division into Babajevo. Fokine has had weeks to dig in, and has a more than five to one numerical advantage over the paratroopers.
After all that activity early in the day, both sides had run out of steam. The only thing of note for the rest of the day was a small attack on Pavlovsk, the unknown commander of some remnants apparently not dissuaded by a small earlier clash. No news, however, is something that I find almost as good as positive news.
An increase in VVS activity, both attacks on our bombers and bombing raids on our ground forces coincided with a change in our fortunes. Though a change of luck was not really the cause of our defeat in Sevsk. It was more than Scheller's gamble that the Austrian Division could outlast the enemy supplies failed, and his men paid the price. I suspect that Hoernlein's attack in Belya Berega. the latest step towards Orel, will end the same way. While the "Großdeutschland" Infanterie-Division is fully equipped and provisioned, our intelligence is that the defenders have more than enough supplies to hold off a single division. As is the case in Komarichi, where the positions are reversed as 4.PzD awaits the oncoming infantry rush.
The small interruption to the positive flow of information appeared over when General Sturm, somewhat regretfully, reported that the sally by the Kursk garrison was over. It had, thanks to its enormous size, inflicted heavy casualties, but nowhere near as heavy as those it suffered in the fighting in Pristen. Pavlosk was another victory, even if small in comparison to most of our other battles recently. Even our defeat in Dimitrovsk was not to painful to take, losses being fairly equal. (Though it was another example of a misguided belief that we could outlast enemy supplies. It would appear that the Russian soldier will fight on even when his food is gone and he is down to his last handful of bullets).
One meal feeds three - the Russians make do with low supplies
That made the twin shocks of Lema and Izdeshkovo all the more hard to bear. Even with sizeable reinforcement Schopper's idea of a flank attack on Lema could be translated into reality, unless the reality of well over 11,000 men lost for minimal gain is a substitute. It did mask the stupidity of Riebel's impulsive pursuit of a beaten enemy into what now seems to have been a trap in Izdeshkovo, but that he lost only a third of the men Schopper squandered is hardly something for which he should be congratulated.
Defeats in Dmitrovsk and Izdeshkovo did not deter our commanders. Barely had our despondent divisions moved out than fresh units were advancing. Panzer Brigade "Estland", having been rested for some time, charged into Dimitrovsk. This time the Russians may be forced to retreat: as far as we can determine only one defending division has any supply at all. For Andreas in Izdeshkovo, there is a hope that supply might play a part in any victory he might achieve, but for now he must concentrate on destroying the enemy with firepower.
Apart from the two depressing defeats, Monday was not too eventful in terms of escalation of fighting, and Tuesday, from the beginning, showed it would be even quieter. Starting with the announcement by a jubilant Göring that Luftwaffe engineers had been able to increase the armour plating on our single engine aircraft, making it harder for the RAF to defeat our jagdgeschwader, it was apparent that 23rd May was a day for consolidation.
Not only fighters will benefit from heavier armour plating: ground attack aircraft such as this Henschel Hs 129 will be able to get close to their targets
Just the one battle began the whole day, and that involved only one of our divisions. I would have preferred Schmidt to have had a larger force for his attack on the 70,000 defenders of Maksatiha, but he has a reasonable chance of success. As long as he has the sense to abandon the offensive if it turns ugly.
The three battles that ended were a mixed bag. The first was undoubtedly a well deserved triumph for Brandenberger and 17.PzD as they held Ugra in the face of a concerted attempt to retake it. Nearly 20% of the attackers were killed or captured, and though 10% of our tanks were destroyed, it was a fine display of a determined defence. Komarichi was even more lopsided as far as casualties were concerned, even if the numbers were far smaller. 4.PzD showed the same resolution when attacked by waves of infantry.
Unfortunately my disquiet about Dippold's move on Lotoshino was shown to be justified, even if the early reports had shown good progress. The situation had soon deteriorated and at last Dippold has conceded that he had underestimated the strength of the enemy and has withdrawn. It cost him nearly 5,000 men however. I hope he has learned from the experience: he may not survive another result like that.
Even though the two northern armies have suffered some heavy losses lately, both Paulus and List have been encouraged to keep on the offensive. With the road-rail network in the Baltic States now having had years of improvement, and the large port at Leningrad allowing freighters to ship supply by sea, our divisions in the north are by far the easiest to resupply and they have kept many Soviet divisions away from the more critical areas in the south. Midnight attacks on Spirovo, almost 300 kilometres east of Leningrad, and Sandovo, a hundred kilometres further south, are both risky, but will keep 100,000 Russians from rest and further strain the Soviet quartermasters.
Using sea transport for urgently required supplies and replacement is far better than relying on the poor road and rail system
An indication of the struggles the enemy are having with supplies in the north came from Babajevo, just south of Spirovo, where the fallschirmjägers, aided by the also lightly armed jägers, won against a far larger force. Though with a price tag of almost 4,800 highly trained men I hope that we have fewer such victories. Even a defeat such as Zhisdra might be preferable. Von Küchler's 13.PzD did not outlast the Russian supplies, but it did lose less men than the enemy. In any case, von Küchler's immediate neighbour to the north more than made up for that technical defeat. Von Arnim used his motorised divisions brilliantly to tear apart a much larger enemy group in Mozhaysk, pushing closer to Kaluga and, further east, Tula. Further success in the area east of Smolensk is likely, as General Rendulic's motorised division is meeting only sporadic resistance in Ugra. We may soon surround Dorogobuz, where a line of casemates and concrete defences have to date proved too much for us to overcome.
Of course not all the events that took place on Wednesday met with my approval. Sending the Slovakian Division into the outskirts of Kursk was not, in my opinion, a wise decision. Good troops, and von Pfeffer-Wildenbruch is very experienced overall, but he is not an expert in urban warfare and the city is reportedly heavily fortified. On top of that, our bombers report that well over a quarter of a million men are entrenched in the city. Mainly remnants of defeated units and about a dozen border brigades, but that is a lot of men to defeat. I hope my concerns are not shown to be as correct as I was about yesterday's sole attack. Maksatiha did not go well, and though I suppose Schmidt did call back his men when it became apparent that they were beaten, it was not soon enough for me, or the seven thousand left behind.
The afternoon made up for the calm of yesterday, with five battles begun. I think we can ignore the Soviet counter-attack on Mozhaysk, as von Arnim lost very few men taking the province and has plenty of ammunition and fuel. Moser's gebirgsjägers, buoyed by the recent surrender of the enemy in Veselovskoye, anticipate taking Nikolaevskaya very soon, even though the Proletarian Division defending there is three times their number. Even the chastened Schmidt in Gummala is confident that he can hold off the pursuing 9th Mechanised Brigade.
I am worried however about Fagernäs. His 3rd Divisioona, now down to barely 7,000 men, may struggle to hold off an aggressive tank assault. Without replacements, Finnish manpower reserves exhausted, what can he do but hope that Paulus can find a nearby unit to race to his assistance? Nevertheless the day ended on a hopeful note, as Dippold has a chance to redeem his name after his inept performance in Lotoshino. With 30,000 leaderless conscripts having entered Torzok, he should be able to record a victory that, if not wiping the shame of Lotoshino away, at least pushing it into the background.
The Finns are still determined, but there as so few left
The wave of attacks that began Wednesday afternoon continued all night, but it was our commanders that set the agenda. Bork, sensing that his constant probing attacks on Svirstroy had weakened the defence enough for a full assault, sent 204.ID forward. He is no doubt correct that Uspensky's divisions are not as strong as they were a fortnight ago, but early indications are that they are still too powerful for a single division. (That was the case in Dorogobuz: even with 140,000 men Friessner called off his latest attack within an hour).
There are similar concerns about 3rd Ostmark Division in Belyy, though there we know that the defenders are short of supply and may not last too long. In Holm Zirkovskiy, north of Dorogobuz, the plan to surround that province may run into problems, as 10.ID (mot) is already finding itself heavily outnumbered.
I have far more confidence in Agricola's attack on Zhisdra. Although Fyodorov has 80,000 men, many of whom participated in the recent victory over our panzers, his units are tired and stocks of food and other requirements are low. Our final attack of the night, almost as day broke, is also likely to end with success, as the veteran panzergrenadiers of "Feldherrnalle" smashed their way into Ostrogozsk.
We also won the battle of Ugra overnight, and very easily, but disappointingly the Russians fled before Rendulic could bring all his firepower to bear.
By dawn the Red Army was ready to unleash its answer, but it was feeble in comparison: a single attack by a single motorised division. 4.PzD, while still recovering from its effort to take Komarichi, is still in good shape and Kirchner is prepared for the clash.
It was not, however, by beginning new battles that Stavka showed its power on Thursday, but by winning existing battles. We did win two of Wednesday's battles, Schmidt defending Gummala and Dippold winning Torzok easily. Inflicting a few hundred casualties on the massive Red Army was not going to do much to reduce its huge numerical advantage over the Heer, but the loss of 11,500 men in defeats in Dimitrovsk and Kursk had a big impact on the Wehrmacht and the Reich's manpower reserves. General Raus must shoulder most of the blame for the former, but I have sympathy for General von Pfeffer-Wildenbruch who was never going to achieve much in Kursk. That General Höhne had an unlikely success in Spirovo did not console me, as it cost him double the Soviet casualties.
With those battles over, our generals lost their appetite for more action. It will take some time for the lost men to be replaced. Stavka did begin one more battle, another large attack on Pristen, but the Red Army too must be suffering as no other activity was recorded. On the ground that is: in the air the VVS still tried to hit our ground troops but its outdated fighters cannot hold off our modern aircraft.
The Luftwaffe does not hold the same technical advantage over the RAF, and our interceptors were unable to prevent British heavy bombers raiding Dortmund. Not much damage was done to production facilities, but a lot of stored materials were destroyed.
Destroyed factories will take some time to repair
Sadly for Finland, the last of its units fighting for the Heer disintegrated in the battle for Brusovo. Having taken almost 2,000 casualties, 3rd Divisioona shattered and will no longer be available. We must take urgent action to cut off Soviet access to our ally to allow it time to rebuild. The thought of the total collapse of the Finnish Army and the subsequent redeployment of dozens of Soviet units is not to be contemplated.
With the recruitment of new division now impossible due to our own shortage of men of military age, the Wehrmacht must make better use of what men it has. Some SS units have been upgraded to combat status in the past but have not been assigned to an armeekorps for duty. An SS Waffen Artillerie regiment has been formed and a new division created: 1st "Stalino" SS Division, named after the city where the troops were assembled prior to assignment to XXXXI SS Armeekorps, Army of the Crimea.
The addition of even one division is a benefit as the tempo of the war in the east continues to increase. Menny has an enormous task to defeat Ibrahimov's army of 132,000 in Dimitrovsk while Sauberzweig has just as tough a job in Pavlovsk, his SS gebirgsjägers hugely outnumbered by the attacking Russians.
Those battles were only one aspect of the pressure the Wehrmacht faces. Heavy losses in the battles for Belyy and Sandovo, almost 11,000 casualties in total, must somehow be made up to keep 1st Ostmark and IRGD available for combat. (Our defeat in Mozhaysk was more acceptable, von Arnim keeping damage to an acceptable level).
New that a heavy tank brigade, one of the few armour Soviet armour units that present a threat to our panzerjägers, had appeared in Krasnaya Gora was not too much of a concern, Schack's infantry well prepared to resist. But two more sizeable defeats were a worry. Leeb should be condemned for his recklessness in Holm Zirkovskiy, recklessness which cost the lives of 4,000 of his men. Arndt has more of an excuse, his attack on Duderovskiy having had a reasonable chance of success, at least when it began. Constant Soviet reinforcement sapped the strength of 223.ID and he had no choice but to cut his losses, hard though it must have been to admit failure when a quarter of his men were dead or missing.
Stavka is still able to assemble large groups for mass attacks, as Zakharov showed when he threw 113,000 men at Meyer in Sudzha. For once we can match that total, and more than match it. He has four units in the front line, and another five in the rear, giving him a 50,000 man advantage. It is not manpower that is his worry but supplies, as half his units are almost defenceless. In any case, as Moser showed in Nikolaevskaya, numbers are not really important. He captured the province despite having less than a third the numbers of the defending force.
With night approaching we had time for two more attacks, both made by commanders who saw an opening that could be exploited. In Duderovskiy, the defenders are almost spent, and Bayerlein is sure Panzer "Lehr" can achieve what Arndt came so close to achieving. In Dubrovskiy, Lavrentier has only a few conscripts and NKVD detachments to hold off von Senger und Etterlin: as numbers are about equal one might expect our regulars to win easily.
That is the hope anyway. The reality is that the week ended with another defeat, and one where we had superiority in numbers and quality.
Finalised Battles for Unternehem Sonnenaufgang Days 8-14 (May 19 - 26, 1944)
Code:
Location (Armee) Result German losses (engaged) Soviet losses (engaged)
Veselovskoye (AotC) Victory 31 (23,789) 6,025 (44,467)
1st Komarichi (3PzA) Huge Victory 2,193 (76,365) 17,083 (182,710) (Major Defeat)
Podporezhe (LA) Defeat 2,249 (20,491) 239 (217,676)
1st Belyy (MA) Defeat 5,276 (19,989) 214 (56,533)
1st Lema (LA) Defeat 4,915 (29,384) 327 (84,023)
Shugozero (MA) Victory 269 (21,491) 680 (20,757)
Sviritsa (LA) Victory 21 (22,390) 2,245 (26,503)
Rylsk (PAH) Victory 416 (182,088) 4,328 (61,671)
Dolotskoye (LA) Victory 1,280 (52,586) 4,370 (105,138)
Safonovo (MA) Victory 406 (90,301) 6,664 (57,607)
Sevsk (PAvM) Defeat 3,933 (17,782) 265 (60,217)
1st Pristen (RA) Victory 3,755 (62,619) 8,737 (180,720)
Pavlovsk (SS-kdo) Victory 118 (12,877) 763 (30,936)
1st Dimitrovsk (PAH) Defeat 2,720 (20,481) 2,256 (98,656)
2nd Lema (LA) Defeat 11,585 (42,513) 942 (82,787)
Izdeshkovo (MA) Defeat 4,019 (21,398) 396 (36,937)
1st Ugra (PAH) Victory 1,844 (18,463) 9,736 (60,180)
2nd Komarichi (PAvM) Victory 56 (19,689) 2,250 (52,390)
Lotoshino (LA) Defeat 4,813 (23,000) 590 (67,020)
Babajevo (LA) Victory 4,759 (24,983) 890 (84,691)
Zhisdra (PAH) Defeat 3,789 (17,784) 1,014 (90,246)
1st Mozhaysk (PAH) Victory 589 (20,972) 8,100 (89,801)
Maksatiha (LA) Defeat 6,950 (45,983) 1,189 (79,343)
2nd Ugra (PAH) Victory 1 (21,289) 542 (5,295)
Torzok (LA) Victory 68 (41,113) 817 (31,387)
Gummala (LA) Victory 57 (39,031) 965 (7,643)
2nd Dimitrovsk (3PzA) Defeat 7,064 (23,777) 1,397 (112,822)
Kursk (SS-kdo) Defeat 4,596 (22,781) 1,391 (54,227)
Spirovo (LA) Victory 2,721 (39,486) 1,391 (54,227)
Brusovo (LA) Defeat 1,749 (7,186) 11 (8,372)
2nd Belyy (MA) Defeat 5,364 (22,963) 239 (23,827)
2nd Mozhaysk (PAH) Defeat 628 (20,201) 1,091 (73,34)
Sandovo (LA) Defeat 5,431 (13,827) 950 (50,533)
Holm Zirkovskiy (PAH) Defeat 4,034 (22,990) 1,181 (118,187)
Duderovskiy (AotP) Defeat 5,543 (22,991) 3,733 (101,961)
Nikolaevskaya (RA) Victory 31 (9,992) 2,116 (31,474)
2nd Pristen (SS-kdo) Defeat 2,955 (29,700) 1,242 (70,595)
Total 18/19 102, 091 94,978Probe
Code:
Location (Armee) Attacker Result German losses Soviet losses
Lodenoye Pole x 4 (LA) Soviet Defeat 1, 9, Nil, 4 (14) 254, 105, 216, 216 (791)
Obojan (PAvM) Soviet Defeat 1 131
Shugozero x 2 (MA) Soviet Defeat 9, 5 (14) 176, 84 (260)
Krasnaya Gora (LA) Soviet Defeat Nil 275
Svirstroy (LA) German Defeat 27 5
Dorogobuz x 4(AotP) German Defeat 307, 193, 571, 71 (1,142) Nil, 1, 1, 1 (3)
Pavlosk (SS-kdo) Soviet Defeat 5 54
Krasny Zorya (RA) German Victory 23 1,325
Dolotskoye (LA) German Victory 250 123
Lokot x 2(PAH) Soviet Defeat 24, 26 (48) 1,324, 1,732 (3,056)
Karla Libknekhta (SS-kdo) Soviet Defeat 19 700
Torzok (LA) Soviet Defeat 1 52
Belogorka (MA) Soviet Defeat 2 15
Bytosh (MA) Soviet Defeat 5 36
Sevsk (AotP) German Defeat 399 7
Komarichi (3PzA) Soviet Defeat 8 51
Shablykino (PAH) Soviet Defeat 26 1,199
Babajevo (LA) Soviet Defeat 1 614
Rechitza (PAH) Soviet Defeat 13 935
Total 1,998 9,632
Bombing Summary for Unternehem Sonnenaufgang Days 8-14 (May 19 - 26, 1944)
Luftwaffe
Code:
Location (Armee) Air Commander Air Unit Casualties
Kursk (PAvM) Keller VIII Kfk 465
Kursk (RA) Kesselring + Grauert II Skfk + IX Kfk 535, 441 (976)
Kursk (PAvM) Dessloch IV Kfk 602
Kursk (SS-kdo) Peltz VI Skfk 72
Lema (LA) Löhr X Kfk 390, 330, 87 (807)
Deichmann V Skfk 235, 179 (414)
Deichmann + Löhr VSkfk + X Kfk 313, 477, 337, 129 (1,256)
Dolotskoye (LA) Förster VII Skfk 179
Babajevo (LA) Förster VII Skfk 190, 51 (241)
Bobrov (RA) Kesselring II Skfk 252
Dimitrovsk (AotP) Korten VII Kfk 140
Dimitrovsk (PAvM) Keller VIII Kfk 204
Lotoshino (LA) Löhr X Kfk 323, 80
Spirovo (LA) Löhr + Deichmann X Kfk + V Skfk 442, 149, 118 (709)
Svirstroy (LA) Förster VII Skfk 224, 204, 205, 208 (841)
Deichmann V Skfk 216, 56 (272)
Ostrogozsk (PAvM) Keller VIII Kfk 309
Sandovo (LA) Löhr X Kfk 277, 303 (580)
Shiskse Ostrov (LA) Deichmann V Skfk 218, 131 (349)
Tim (PAvM) Keller VIII Kfk 242, 86 (328)
Total 9,399VVS
Code:
Cherenskoye Yermolayev 207 IAD, 1, 2, BAD Abort (Klepke)
Eremin 223 IAD, 3 TAC, 103 BAD 48 (Kitzinger)
Safonovo Bogolyubov 214, 215 ShAD Abort (Kitzinger)
Korovin 172, 125 ShAD Abort (Klepke)
Torzok Kopets 181 IAD, 152, 126DBAB 45 (Kitzinger)
Total 93Unternehmen Sonnenaufgang Day 8 to 14 (May 20 - 26, 1944)
Code:
Nationality Ground Losses Bombing Losses Total
German 102,091 + 1,998 = 104,089 93 104,182
Soviet 94,978 + 9,632 = 104,610 9,399 114,009
Sonnenaufgang at midnight 26th May 1944
Leningrad Armee (Paulus)
Objectives: Sazonovo, Lema, Klimovskaya
Victories: Sviritsa, Dolotskoye, Babajevo, Torzok, Gummala, Spirovo
Defeats: Podporozhe, 1st and 2nd Lema, Lotoshino, Maksatiha, Brusovo, Sandovo
Objectives: Sazonovo, Lema, Klimovskaya
Victories: Sviritsa, Dolotskoye, Babajevo, Torzok, Gummala, Spirovo
Defeats: Podporozhe, 1st and 2nd Lema, Lotoshino, Maksatiha, Brusovo, Sandovo
Svirstroy (Forest): 1.9 degrees
Bork (Breakthrough): 204, 262.ID
Uspensky (Defend): Red Army remnants, 11th Rifle, 15th NKVD, 2 x Proletarian Divsion
The Svir River is proving too tough an obstacle for Bork's men
Krasnaya Gora (Forest): 1.7 degrees
Romanenko (Attack): 3rd Heavy Tank Brigade
Schack (Backhand Blow): 258.ID
The heavy tanks are making no impression on the defenders
Moskva Armee (List)
Objectives: Smolensk, Demidov, Kalinin, Vyazma
Victories: Shugozero, Safonovo, Izdeshkovo
Defeats: 1st and 2nd Belyy
Objectives: Smolensk, Demidov, Kalinin, Vyazma
Victories: Shugozero, Safonovo, Izdeshkovo
Defeats: 1st and 2nd Belyy
Olenino (Forest): 7.5 degrees
Golubovskiy (Masterful Breakthrough): 3rd Guards MC8, 4th Guards Cavalry, 85, 14 Tankovaya Diviziya, Red Army remnants
Haase (Ambush): 56.ID "Schwerter"
The forests will protect our soldiers as well as it did the enemy
Zhisdra (Plains): 7.3 degrees
Haenicke (Reckless Assault): 4th Ostmark Division
Kondratchev (Defend): Red Army remnants, 15th, 74th Tankovaya, Proletarian Division, 134rd Mechanised Brigade, 1st Guards Corps headquarters
After some heavy fighting, Haenicke is on the verge of success
Panzerarmee Hoth (Hoth)
Objectives: Bryansk, Kaluga
Victories: Rylsk, 1st and 2nd Ugra, 1st Mozhaysk
Defeats: 1st Dimitrovsk, Zhisdra, 2nd Mozhaysk, Holm Zirkovskiy
Objectives: Bryansk, Kaluga
Victories: Rylsk, 1st and 2nd Ugra, 1st Mozhaysk
Defeats: 1st Dimitrovsk, Zhisdra, 2nd Mozhaysk, Holm Zirkovskiy
Belye Beruga (Plains): 7.3 degrees
Hoernlein (Shock): "Großdeutschland" Division
Obukhov (Defend): 59th, 95th Tankovaya Diviziya
Nothing to worry about here: victory is imminent
Izdeshkovo (Woods): 7.2 degrees
Andreas (Shock): 22.ID (mot)
Loginov (Defend): 20th 56th Tankovaya Divizya
It looks as though the Russians will outlast this attack, although victory for Andreas is still possible
Armee of the Pripyat (Dollman)
Objectives: Kyiv, Orel
Victories: Nil
Defeat: Duderovskiy
Objectives: Kyiv, Orel
Victories: Nil
Defeat: Duderovskiy
Dimitrovsk (Forest): 7.1 degrees
Menny (Shock): 303.ID
Ibrahimov (Defend): 44th, 48th, 65th Tankovaya, 85th Rifle, 13th "Kuban" Cavalry Divisions RED: Red Army remnants, Proletarian, 92nd Tankovaya Diviziya
The attack has been doomed since ammunition supplies ran out
3rd Panzerarmee (Stumme)
Objectives: Bryansk, Orel
Victories: 1st Komarichi
Defeats: 2nd Dimitrovsk
Objectives: Bryansk, Orel
Victories: 1st Komarichi
Defeats: 2nd Dimitrovsk
Duderovskiy (Woods): 7.3 degrees
Bayerlein (Masterful Breakthrough): 130.PzD "Lehr"
Zhirov (Defend): 2 x Proletarian Division, Opolcheniye, 21st Mechanised Brigade
"Lehr" will chalk up another win within a day or two
Panzerarmee von Manstein (von Manstein)
Objective: Kursk, Voronezh
Victories: 2nd Komarichi
Defeats: Nil
Objective: Kursk, Voronezh
Victories: 2nd Komarichi
Defeats: Nil
Ostrogozsk (Woods): 7.0 degrees
Lüters (Attack): 60th Panzergrenadier Division "Feldernhalle", 2nd Pesi divise
Degtaryev (Ambush): Red Army remnants, Proletarian Division
The combination of panzergrenadiers and experienced regular infantry seems unstoppable
Komarichi (Forest): 7.1 degrees
Morozov (Shock): 18th Tankovaya Diviziya RES: 80th "Donbass" Rifle Division
Kirchner (Backhand Blow): 4.PzD
Our tanks are more than equal to this task, though when the enemy infantry arrive there may be problems
SS Kdo (Hausser)
Objectives: Kharkov, Belgorod
Victories: Pavlovsk
Defeats: Kursk, 2nd Pristen
Objectives: Kharkov, Belgorod
Victories: Pavlovsk
Defeats: Kursk, 2nd Pristen
Sudzha (Plains): 7.2 degrees
Zakharov (Shock): 13th Guards Rifle Division "Poltava", Proletarian Division, Opolcheniye, 77th "Azerbaijan" Gorno-Rifle Division
Meyer (Defend): 2nd SS Infantry Brigade, 21.PzD, 15.ID RES: 1st Pesi divise, 46.ID, KG "Meyer", 15th Waffen-Infanterie Division der SS (lett. Nr.1), 3rd SS PzD "Totenkopf".
Our soldiers are mostly out of supply and exhausted after heavy combat, and Meyer may have to accept defeat
Pavlovsk (Forest): 7.2 degrees
Khetagurov (Reckless Assault): 16th Guards Rifle, 2 x Proletarian Divisions
Sauberzweig (Defend): 13th Waffen-Gebirgsjäger Division der SS "Handschar"
The SS mountain troops are hanging on and may still repel their far more numerous attackers
Rostov Armee (Henrici)
Objectives: Voroshilovgrad, Kharkov
Victories: 1st Pristen, Nikolaevskaya
Defeat: Nil
Objectives: Voroshilovgrad, Kharkov
Victories: 1st Pristen, Nikolaevskaya
Defeat: Nil
Dubrovskiy (Forest): 7.2 degrees
von Senger und Etterlin (Blitz): 16th divise, 36.ID
Lavrentiev (Defend): Red Army remnants, 2 x NKVD detachments
Impossible to predict which way this battle will go
Army of the Crimea (von Falkenhorst)
Objectives: Novy Yakul, Batumi
Victory: Veselovskoye
Defeat: Nil
Another period where von Falkenhorst reluctantly obeys orders
Objectives: Novy Yakul, Batumi
Victory: Veselovskoye
Defeat: Nil
Another period where von Falkenhorst reluctantly obeys orders
Unternehmen Barbarossa/Sonnenaufgang at midnight 19th May 1944
Code:
Current Prior Total
German Ground losses 104,089 10,238,142 10,342,231
German Bombing losses 93 10,923 11,016
German Total losses 104,182 10,249,065 10,353,247
Soviet Ground losses 104,610 10,080,797 10,185,407
Soviet Bombing losses 9,399 1,366,415 1,375,814
Soviet Total losses 114,009 11,447,212 11,561,221War at Sea
Code:
Current Prior Total
U-boat losses Nil 15 15
Convoys German Nil 52 52
British Nil 748 748
French Nil 26 26
Canadian Nil 104 104
South African Nil 14 14
New Zealand Nil 110 110
Australian Nil 32 32
Belgian Nil 5 5
Norwegian Nil 37 37
Greek Nil 17 17
Soviet Nil 10 10
USA Nil 4 4
Total Allied Convoy Losses Nil 1,107 1,107
Code:
Escorts German Nil 11 11
British Nil 725 725
Canadian Nil 43 43
French Nil 12 12
New Zealand Nil 20 20
Australian Nil 44 44
Belgian Nil 9 9
Norwegian Nil 9 9
South African Nil 26 26
Greek Nil 6 6
Soviet Nil 7 7
Total Allied Escort Losses Nil 897 897over 100,000 more dead men?
ouch
the situation looks quite bad
this week just about finished up the MP pool didn't it then?
ouch
the situation looks quite bad
this week just about finished up the MP pool didn't it then?
Lets' roll the dice for another manpower event ... big money, big money ... and for Finland too! big money, big money ... but seriously though, maybe June 6-7 will be the day that manpower utterly fails the Reich. D-day of a different sort. I maintain that, if you get divisions shattering all over the place, you should ask the Yugos or Italians to redeploy. The Russians are in bad shape and I truly don't think their presence means automatic losses in every case.
so many lost battles... I really don't see what the AI is doing... has the AI been bribed by the Soviets?
My son is also named Bork.
Those loses, even with the targets set the AI seems to have no idea on how to pull off the moves necessary to cause Soviet collapse.
Those loses, even with the targets set the AI seems to have no idea on how to pull off the moves necessary to cause Soviet collapse.
Glad someone else like to know what is going on: I cannot work out how people learn how to play a game without keeping note. Far better memories or analytical skills than me I suppose.
I think I can take Kursk, it will just take a while. It is a pity that it is smack in the middle of my worst area for supply. I have great difficulty in getting more than a few divs operation at once.
I am not a good contender for multi-player. I am very slow, I have acquired bad habits through so much solo play and I am not very reliable (due to presence of She Who Must Be Obeyed).
After four years of crying "Vorwarts!" the Wehrmacht needs a new and more inspiring warcry. I think "Grind On!" is suitable.
you should put all your loss numbers into excel and then crunch out some nice graphs detailing the weekly losses of Barbarossa and then have graphs also for Soviet losses.
Maybe even ratios for losses suffered between the combatants!
I have done the former and keep it up to date. I did keep separate tables for different combatants for a long time but it was a lot of work and I gave up. Here is the latest East Front graph. The figures are from the updates, divided by number of days, so are pretty close to a daily average.
At the moment I find HOI4 Vanilla is not very enjoyable (more a fantasy than a WW2 game) and BI is a WIP with updates every week or so, so not really suitable for a long story (I am physically incapable of short AARs). So I will keep on with this until my enthusiasm wanes. I am pretty keen to see if I can take Kursk and then Moscow.
No - as of 26/6/44 I have 124 MP in hand, and need 79.9 to fully replace all losses, and get about 39.9 per month. If I can get losses down to below 50K per week I can last a few months, otherwise it will be just weeks. But I have noticed that BI has given me some MP boosts recently: is there a trigger for some events when MP is very low?
Don't worry - I do mot want all those Russians in the far north to move on me and the Finns need a hand.
This AAR keeps reminding us about the dangers of letting AI have command.
Or perhaps what a poor player I am. But I constantly find that the game restrains me from doing what I want: supply, MP, annoying attacks. Which is what I like about a game: something that does not let me build a unstoppable war machine and simply point it east. I would have been bored with that in about a week.
I do get a little MP boost in early June. (20MP is not really going to be a game winner. I am having a few cases of small divisions shattering but none of the regular units are in any danger. Unit for unit, even unit to 3 units, I am still able to beat the Red Army. It is just that often the odds are greater than that, and that is where I need aircraft to bomb them to submission.
I think that the AI is unchanged: I suspect that the Red Army is getting harder to shift as I get deeper into Russia. Territorial pride is up to 36%.
It will be at least a year before I have enough jets to make a difference.
The Wehrmacht is bloodied but unbowed. Confidence Kamaraden!
When you said that I started to wonder whether I had been critical of General Bork. If I have, don't tell your son. In fact, just tell him Bork is a hero.
The AI cannot carry out sweeping encirclements and dagger like thrusts like a human player. I am pretty sure that had I been manually commanding this AAR would have been over several years ago. (No, before you all comment, not with a Hammer and Sickle over Berlin).
I have let the AI do all the work since day 1. My role is to comment and, whenever there is a success, take the credit.
See above: that will be at least a year. I hope that before that Staln would have given up and I can transfer several thousand aircraft to the west.
@Uriah I know that HOI4 is not everyones cup of tea, have you tried Vanilla+. Things are much more realistic, just a suggestion.
Das dumb, yo. Also, using my IPad to comment now, so have to quote whole posts instead of needed sentences.Glad someone else like to know what is going on: I cannot work out how people learn how to play a game without keeping note. Far better memories or analytical skills than me I suppose.
I think I can take Kursk, it will just take a while. It is a pity that it is smack in the middle of my worst area for supply. I have great difficulty in getting more than a few divs operation at once.
I am not a good contender for multi-player. I am very slow, I have acquired bad habits through so much solo play and I am not very reliable (due to presence of She Who Must Be Obeyed).
After four years of crying "Vorwarts!" the Wehrmacht needs a new and more inspiring warcry. I think "Grind On!" is suitable.
I have done the former and keep it up to date. I did keep separate tables for different combatants for a long time but it was a lot of work and I gave up. Here is the latest East Front graph. The figures are from the updates, divided by number of days, so are pretty close to a daily average.
At the moment I find HOI4 Vanilla is not very enjoyable (more a fantasy than a WW2 game) and BI is a WIP with updates every week or so, so not really suitable for a long story (I am physically incapable of short AARs). So I will keep on with this until my enthusiasm wanes. I am pretty keen to see if I can take Kursk and then Moscow.
No - as of 26/6/44 I have 124 MP in hand, and need 79.9 to fully replace all losses, and get about 39.9 per month. If I can get losses down to below 50K per week I can last a few months, otherwise it will be just weeks. But I have noticed that BI has given me some MP boosts recently: is there a trigger for some events when MP is very low?
Don't worry - I do mot want all those Russians in the far north to move on me and the Finns need a hand.
Or perhaps what a poor player I am. But I constantly find that the game restrains me from doing what I want: supply, MP, annoying attacks. Which is what I like about a game: something that does not let me build a unstoppable war machine and simply point it east. I would have been bored with that in about a week.
I do get a little MP boost in early June. (20MP is not really going to be a game winner. I am having a few cases of small divisions shattering but none of the regular units are in any danger. Unit for unit, even unit to 3 units, I am still able to beat the Red Army. It is just that often the odds are greater than that, and that is where I need aircraft to bomb them to submission.
I think that the AI is unchanged: I suspect that the Red Army is getting harder to shift as I get deeper into Russia. Territorial pride is up to 36%.
It will be at least a year before I have enough jets to make a difference.
The Wehrmacht is bloodied but unbowed. Confidence Kamaraden!
When you said that I started to wonder whether I had been critical of General Bork. If I have, don't tell your son. In fact, just tell him Bork is a hero.
The AI cannot carry out sweeping encirclements and dagger like thrusts like a human player. I am pretty sure that had I been manually commanding this AAR would have been over several years ago. (No, before you all comment, not with a Hammer and Sickle over Berlin).
I have let the AI do all the work since day 1. My role is to comment and, whenever there is a success, take the credit.
See above: that will be at least a year. I hope that before that Staln would have given up and I can transfer several thousand aircraft to the west.