Dont release this game too early, Please.

[FOARP]

Having looked at *SOMETHING* I have full confidence in Paradox's commitment not to release an over-due buggy mess of a game that fanbois insist is ready for release when it is still a year or more from completion, like HOI3 and *SOMETHING* were.

 

[Kagernaut]

HoI3 wasn't very good on release, I know: I bought it. Some people still enjoyed it, and that's fine for them, but we can't say HoI3 was a good release.

I recall. I was utterly disappointed with it, also with the demo.

Years later, I have a much different opinion of the finished product

 

[NapoleonComple]

I trust Paradox these days to release a great finished product. In fact I'm usually more worried about the "improvements" they make to that great finished product via patches and expansions.

 

[Beagá]

In your opinion it wasn't. That's something totally different.

And what you got that isn´t your personal opinion only, dude. Or are you The One True Human, and thus your opinion is automatically better?

I´ve played CK 2 since 1.0. Did you? How about loading the 1.0 demo for CK 2 and look how it Works? Combat was crap, tons of stuff was imbalanced. Just because it didn´t crash every 5 minutes doesn´t mean it was fine. For me the definition of playable is something I will play for many hours, instead of 2 and shelving it, and wait for a patch because it´s full of issues. Was it better than HOI 3 1.0? Yes, but that´s because even roadkill possum was better than HOI 3 1.0.

 

[BarrosRodrigues]

I just hope that HOIV will not end as a beta hell like EU4 is now, after an initially relatively clean release. Every patch goes back and forth with game mechanics and most of the change are untested, and the game is a mess.

This

 

[Kadanz]

And what you got that isn´t your personal opinion only, dude. Or are you The One True Human, and thus your opinion is automatically better?

I´ve played CK 2 since 1.0. Did you? How about loading the 1.0 demo for CK 2 and look how it Works? Combat was crap, tons of stuff was imbalanced. Just because it didn´t crash every 5 minutes doesn´t mean it was fine. For me the definition of playable is something I will play for many hours, instead of 2 and shelving it, and wait for a patch because it´s full of issues. Was it better than HOI 3 1.0? Yes, but that´s because even roadkill possum was better than HOI 3 1.0.

I'm only responsible for what I say not for what you understand.

My point was; Just because you perceive something in one way, doesn't mean it's automatically a fact. And yes I've played CKII since 1.0, besides from the small quircks here and there, it looked very polished to me and not the buggy game you describe it to be. Balance is very subjective and again can not be used as a fact in your argument that CKII was a buggy/unbalanced release. Play styles differ, your game probably looked different than mine. Which is why I think you experienced things differently than me..

I'm not sure what you issue is. I've seen many of your posts, and all in the same tone. Very aggressive as soon as someone has a different opinion than yours. So I'll leave it at this post and let you have the last word.

 

[Beagá]

Well man then load up the forums by 1.0-1.5 period and let´s see how many people agree with your definition that the game was in awesome shape. The forum was full of complaints about imbalance (combat was only numbers, fast blobbing, mercenary abuse and other bad/poorly implemented features). If you see things with pink coloured glasses ok, I don´t. To say the game plays the same now as in 1.0 is ridiculous. It improved a LOT. If you don´t have memory, ok, that´s why we can see posts from 3 years ago. Go check them.

And that´s coming from someone who isn´t a fanboy but not a whiner either. So again - it was better than HOI 3 1.0 (and add Victoria 2 if you want) but it took several patches to become great and truly fun.

And please - don´t use ad hominem already. Your first reply was calling my opinion crap, while using your opinion as basis (again: you´re the True Human so you automatically win, I guess?) - so if you don´t want harsh responses, don´t use flaming posts.

 

[pete_ts]

I'll by the game pre-release, to support Paradox, then wait 6month after it's release, and only then will I play. Just to avoid disappointment.

 

[ingwe]

I´ve played CK 2 since 1.0. Did you? How about loading the 1.0 demo for CK 2 and look how it Works? Combat was crap, tons of stuff was imbalanced. Just because it didn´t crash every 5 minutes doesn´t mean it was fine. For me the definition of playable is something I will play for many hours, instead of 2 and shelving it, and wait for a patch because it´s full of issues. Was it better than HOI 3 1.0? Yes, but that´s because even roadkill possum was better than HOI 3 1.0.

I have to respectfully disagree with you there. To me, playable means it is able to be played. So a game not crashing every five minutes is (to me) playable. I would refer to a game I will play for many hours as fun.