Dont release this game too early, Please.
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The key here is to have the patches be open to the players.
This will allow MP games to finish, see that a new patch is expected in the coming weeks / months, play that patch and provide feedback on how it is working.
I am surprised this novel concept hasn't be risen before.
The current method of "releasing a patch when its ready" is not sufficient as the testing that is done on said patch is no where near as robust as if it were open to the public.
Please do public beta testing on patches in HoI4.
Please take your time in developing V1.0, I can't wait, but I certainly can if you guys are going to make this game as amazing as I think you will.
Every, single, game, I've played that was numerically higher than the last from Paradox has been a huge improvement, so pressure is absolutely on for that increase of quality to be delivered in HoI4
GOOD LUCK!
This will allow MP games to finish, see that a new patch is expected in the coming weeks / months, play that patch and provide feedback on how it is working.
I am surprised this novel concept hasn't be risen before.
The current method of "releasing a patch when its ready" is not sufficient as the testing that is done on said patch is no where near as robust as if it were open to the public.
Please do public beta testing on patches in HoI4.
Please take your time in developing V1.0, I can't wait, but I certainly can if you guys are going to make this game as amazing as I think you will.
Every, single, game, I've played that was numerically higher than the last from Paradox has been a huge improvement, so pressure is absolutely on for that increase of quality to be delivered in HoI4
GOOD LUCK!
I find it funny when players seem to think they know how to make games better than the developers...
They'll release the game when they are ready to, even if its early they may still do so if the sales projections were favorable. The longer you spend developing a game, the more it costs, and the less money you make. With paradox games, they sell well, even though they have terrible release issues. If they released this game early, most people would still buy it, and then the money would go towards comprehensive patches that would be supplemented with player input.
Ideally, the game would be in good and complete order when they release it, but even if it isn't it doesn't mean they won't make money off of it and that many people won't buy it.
They'll release the game when they are ready to, even if its early they may still do so if the sales projections were favorable. The longer you spend developing a game, the more it costs, and the less money you make. With paradox games, they sell well, even though they have terrible release issues. If they released this game early, most people would still buy it, and then the money would go towards comprehensive patches that would be supplemented with player input.
Ideally, the game would be in good and complete order when they release it, but even if it isn't it doesn't mean they won't make money off of it and that many people won't buy it.
+1
At least Paradox listens to players and actually patches their games. Unlike some companies that release a game and patch it once or twice then never again.
I thought the HOI3 roll out was a bit rough too. And, I seem to recall being fairly miffed by it.
But, after reading info on what the Paradox crew had as development assets at that time, I tend, now, toward being fair well impressed by what they managed to produce. And, I am very much respectful of their record of continued support for their product.
The rest of this comment is based on my assumption, as ignorant as it might be that, at times, it's financial issues that push product out to the public before it's finished "cooking".
In order to mitigate against that being or becoming an issue, I would not hesitate to "advance purchase" a copy of HOI4.
Personally, I wouldn't require or request any other perks or privileges for putting up the cost of a copy well ahead of release. I *am* going to buy the game on release. No doubt at all. But, by doing so prior to release, even at this early date, it would be bene enough to provide cash early in order to do my small part in "buying time" for the dev crew to complete their creation to their own satisfaction.
That might make me sound like an utter fanboi, but seriously, I have never ended up regretting the purchase of a paradox developed grand strat game. I might have gotten bent over the state of a game at release, but even then, I had full faith and confidence that things would be put right over time. And, with every such purchase, I have received a hugely beneficial ratio of "bang for buck over time".
But, after reading info on what the Paradox crew had as development assets at that time, I tend, now, toward being fair well impressed by what they managed to produce. And, I am very much respectful of their record of continued support for their product.
The rest of this comment is based on my assumption, as ignorant as it might be that, at times, it's financial issues that push product out to the public before it's finished "cooking".
In order to mitigate against that being or becoming an issue, I would not hesitate to "advance purchase" a copy of HOI4.
Personally, I wouldn't require or request any other perks or privileges for putting up the cost of a copy well ahead of release. I *am* going to buy the game on release. No doubt at all. But, by doing so prior to release, even at this early date, it would be bene enough to provide cash early in order to do my small part in "buying time" for the dev crew to complete their creation to their own satisfaction.
That might make me sound like an utter fanboi, but seriously, I have never ended up regretting the purchase of a paradox developed grand strat game. I might have gotten bent over the state of a game at release, but even then, I had full faith and confidence that things would be put right over time. And, with every such purchase, I have received a hugely beneficial ratio of "bang for buck over time".
I wonder if people would pay to beta test - giving them further time to develop as they start to make money before its proper release ?
Considering the games in ' Alpha ' on steam, I think they would. Take Prison Architect. I read somewhere that they had so far taken $millions, although I cant verify that.
The game is still unplayable according to some - and yet people are buying it because they love the concept.
So, you have two types of games buyer. Those willing to purchase and test it and those, like me, who are not willing to do that and would prefer to wait until it is complete.
The beauty here is that Paradox simply turn round and say ' its in alpha or beta ', when people find game breaking bugs and you dont get the HOI3 release scenarios occuring ( so much )
Considering the games in ' Alpha ' on steam, I think they would. Take Prison Architect. I read somewhere that they had so far taken $millions, although I cant verify that.
The game is still unplayable according to some - and yet people are buying it because they love the concept.
So, you have two types of games buyer. Those willing to purchase and test it and those, like me, who are not willing to do that and would prefer to wait until it is complete.
The beauty here is that Paradox simply turn round and say ' its in alpha or beta ', when people find game breaking bugs and you dont get the HOI3 release scenarios occuring ( so much )
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Actually prison architect.. $10.7 million so far..!!
That would buy a few coffees and toasted sandwiches.
Not sure if I can post a link to the source so wont.
Its on wikipedia.
That would buy a few coffees and toasted sandwiches.
Not sure if I can post a link to the source so wont.
Its on wikipedia.
After HOI3 there is no way I would buy another title until it has been out for a while and all bugs ironed out.
I bought HOI3 and had to wait over a year for a playable game.
I bought HOI3 and had to wait over a year for a playable game.
Early release will only work well if:
- PI will pump out patches fast
- PI developpers will very active interract with the buyers, on steam and here.
- Price is not to high, must be an alpha price, and raise over patches, meaning the more mature, the more the price creeps up to the final price. Problem is with first buyers and later buyers and patches. (Maybe recognise the serial number or something)
- Stay committed, wait with DLC and so untill the base is good.
- PI will pump out patches fast
- PI developpers will very active interract with the buyers, on steam and here.
- Price is not to high, must be an alpha price, and raise over patches, meaning the more mature, the more the price creeps up to the final price. Problem is with first buyers and later buyers and patches. (Maybe recognise the serial number or something)
- Stay committed, wait with DLC and so untill the base is good.
Early release is the worst trend to happen in gaming. I hope it dies, and quickly. Most early release games never reach full maturity and I cannot think of an early release game I paid for in which I was satisfied with the final product. It's a free internet and publisher and consumer are free to do as they wish but I'd prefer HOI4 be developed without the noise of early access, but refined a small and committed group of testers. Early Access produces a lot of "drive by" testers with money and it's purely a funding mechanism. As an established studio, I don't think paradox needs the headache of any crowd funding model.
That being said, I know of many well skilled, experienced, knowledgeable and highly intelligent individuals in this community who stand ready to alpha and beta test this game.
That being said, I know of many well skilled, experienced, knowledgeable and highly intelligent individuals in this community who stand ready to alpha and beta test this game.
Did I hear someone say HOI3 was fine on release?
LOL. Seriously ..... LOL
It was a mess. I pre-ordered (never again). Even when finished HOI3 was a disappointment. The supply system was borked - and borked at the conceptual level, not implementation.
I also ran into a similar situation with SOTS2 - PI gave me a refund on that. They weren't the developers in that case, just the publisher (but still involved). I appreciated the fact that they remedied the situation in that instance - credit due there.
Before everyone hops on me and starts telling me I'm a flamer, consider this:
I have bought every HOI since #1.
I have bought many other PI titles.
I loved some of the improvments incorporated into HOI3, such as the increase in the number of provinces (which allowed for greater manoeuvre).
But I'm firmly of the opinion the HOI3 wasn't fit for initial release. And I sincerely agree with the OP, that I hope this isn't the case with HOI4.
All the best.
LOL. Seriously ..... LOL
It was a mess. I pre-ordered (never again). Even when finished HOI3 was a disappointment. The supply system was borked - and borked at the conceptual level, not implementation.
I also ran into a similar situation with SOTS2 - PI gave me a refund on that. They weren't the developers in that case, just the publisher (but still involved). I appreciated the fact that they remedied the situation in that instance - credit due there.
Before everyone hops on me and starts telling me I'm a flamer, consider this:
I have bought every HOI since #1.
I have bought many other PI titles.
I loved some of the improvments incorporated into HOI3, such as the increase in the number of provinces (which allowed for greater manoeuvre).
But I'm firmly of the opinion the HOI3 wasn't fit for initial release. And I sincerely agree with the OP, that I hope this isn't the case with HOI4.
All the best.
HoI3 wasn't very good on release, I know: I bought it. Some people still enjoyed it, and that's fine for them, but we can't say HoI3 was a good release.
I concur, however it was playable for me. That's what I take issue with is when people scream about it being unplayable upon release. Unbalanced and in need of adjustment/fine tweeking sure but not unplayable.
Hm. You said at first "i", and since you also said that you bought the game, i assume you are not talking for your team, but only for yourself. But then you said "we", so you are clearly assuming, very delusionaly and without any kind of evidence, you are most likely just making up things, that you are Swedish King! :ninja:
Its very rare you see a developer admit that. Kudos for your honesty.
Regardless of whether it comes out ready or not - you will have my support - eventually
Paradox have and no doubt will, release some of the very best games around.
But it was a release nevertheless and people were able to play what they had waited for very long time. It all that matters after years of waiting for some game to be released. They got their game and waited for the patches. I see no problem in that, i would be rather happy to see this game as early-access on steam.
I'm confident that Paradox won't make any mistakes concerning the release of HOI IV.