Dont get Defensive! Why the hell not?

[Castellon]

I don't think it would work very well agaist a human player though!

 

[Castellon]

Originally posted by Baron Jukaga


Don't be so sure... The numbers one can call up in my scenario easily compensates for a measly 2 shock points. (assuming a offensive/quality and a defensive/quantity) With double or triple the amount of troops, the defensive/quantity army will have much higher shock and fire ratings than your foe. Morale can be a problem, but again numbers compensate in the long term. And the cannons, the sheer hordes of cannons...

A human would have just as many troops but with higher leader values for shock and fire. So they can kill off your armies, and cover each province so you cannot build any troops, then take as long as they want sieging your provinces.

 

[Castellon]

Originally posted by Galleblære
But thats not the point of low-morale armies. You use your cheap, and huge manpower to create huge armies that can crush small, high quality ones. And besides, later in the game, due to tech, even nations with the lowest morale get "invincible". Not sure if there are different levels of "invincible" though.

That is assuming you can get your human competitor to build only small high quality armies.
Something they are not likely to accommodate you with.

 

[Castellon]

Originally posted by Prince Eugene
Full defensive and quantity can easily be slaughtered by quantity and full offensive. They can make just as many troops as you (well it depends on what nations) and slaughter you on the field. If they cover all of your provinces then it is over no matter how long it takes them to take the provinces.

Hmm! is that not almost word for word what I said?

 

[Castellon]

Originally posted by Nikolai II


According to Morale FAQ and Tech tables this is what I get.

TL 60 = morale from 4.4 (3.9 if bankrupt) to 8.35 (maxed out at 7.0)

TL 23 = morale from 2.9 to 6.35

This is using all possible bonuses for max morale, including shiite religion, if you want the max:es without religious bonuses they are 7.85 and 5.85.

Having sliders set at max, and no religious bonus added, meks you max out morale at TL 60, if protestant you get 6.95 (almost there) at TL 51, which is where reformed and CRC max out.
Shiites max out at TL41.

So it seems one doesn't loose much morale from overflow.

Now the question is, is it good to have great morale, yes when superior, but shaky when inferior since your armies might prefer death instead of escaping. Is that risk bad enough to keep morale a bit lower?

You forget one very important factor. ** Maintenance **
If you lower your maintenance to 50% the DP bonuses become more important and you will not max out your morale even as shiite with full DP bonuses.
You will however be able to afford to field an army much much bigger than someone paying full pop.

 

[Castellon]

Originally posted by Nikolai II


I didn't mention maintenance, but it is included in the figures.

I thought you if anyone should have recognized that on sight..

At full maintenance and no religious bonus TL 60 ranges between morale 5.9 and 7.35.

(I also see I failed to fix the 7.85 to 7.35 in my previous post, go figure I was probably too tired)

I did not say you forgot to include maintenance in your calculation. I was commenting on the fact that you assumed it would be at 100%! It is a Variable factor not fixed.

As you can see from my post I talk about Maintenance as an important influence on Morale and the cost of upkeep. I also specifically state 50%. You calculations had nothing to do with 50% maintenance. And you totally ignored the rest of the post which clearly gave the context for the opening remark.
And yes I did notice the slight error but was too nice a guy to point it out.

 

[Castellon]

Originally posted by Daniel A


Is this really true Nikolai II? Does the maintenance for artillery also decrease when you go defensive? I thought it only was the price for buying them that decreased.

IIRC the maintenace of your units is based on the purchase price.