"Dogs of War" ~ NA Game

[unmerged(27214)]

Hmph, maybe I wasn't so wrong about you intentionally getting shitkicked and vassalized.

 

[unmerged(17563)]

It was certainly an interesting thing to do

ANd it would be illogical for England to break with France, leaving number 1 and 2 allied to each other, HG has to ask himself which is more reliable Spain or me

 

[PJL]

Two things -
1. I have never ever played Sweden in this game
2. HG's France is even scarier than Tonio's France in 1568 New Order. With Spain vassalised, I'd say he's won the game, unless there is a big anti-France coalition set up now, if it's not already too late.

 

[DSYoungEsq]

I am gathering that Portugal was AI this session?

I got in about 2 hours after game start, but y'all didn't break at all during the next 60 min so I went to bed. How the heck does Portugal LOSE 3 provinces

Teach me to go watch opera...

 

[unmerged(10894)]

Portugal was played for half the session, the other half it was AI. We tried to get subs but there simply weren't any around. Guangdong was taken by England after I how I gather it England threatened it with significant retribution from the most evil alliance if Portugal didn't give it. I brought Bandung (subbed Venice) and I have no idea what happened to the third province.

 

[unmerged(11287)]

I was looking through the savefile, and I see Spain has Franz and Karl in the leader table, but not Von Laudon whom I had thought was to go to Spain, while Venice has Prince Eugene, Von Daun, Von Sachsen, Von Lacy and Von Laudon, plus a number of 333 leaders and I think Scharzenburg in Napoleonic times. Now, it seems to me that this distribution is a bit unfair. I would like to have Von Laudon edited to Spain's leaderfile, or at least Von Lacy. I can't see why Venice should get all four of Austria's great mid-eighteenth century leaders to itself.

Austria is mine, i claim all the leaders. and they are born in Austria

 

[unmerged(11287)]

Venice already got whupped by Brandenburg, I don't have the manpower to do anything but let Pibe invade Jutland and than engage in a nice staring contest across the Sund, and France... well, if Cru could manage to get HG to kick Pibe out of the alliance and accept him, they'd be pretty well set, but the chance of that happening are... ummm... nonexistant.

EDIT: Heh, seems I was a few replies behind.

Sweden is a friend Hamburgo proves it

 

[unmerged(11287)]

So, everything depends of Brandenburg? I don't think so, but I'm now a real power with huge Manpower, and that could decide many wars for sure. What happened to Venice was logical, it was my revenge because of the siege stealings (I would have enjoyed more to war Drake ), now they are a medium power, a wealthy one i have to admit.

France, England and Spain are uber powers, and they are all allied, France is uber uber power, unfortunately weak at sea, that would be the secret of a victory against it. Since France is not expulsing Spain to its own, and England is to afraid to decide for its own , BB would have to counter balance allying Ottoman empire and Venice, but Venice won't be pleased after what i have done.

I do think England should be independant, to have real wars, Spain will be a french vassal for long i'm afraid, and that leaves me in a pretty interesting position. BB is now between France and Poland ideology. after this session I have to admit I'm pro-french, but I know HG will completely destroy me during nappy times, Spain as its ally of course. SO:

I think Spain is under oppression and BB will fight to change its mind, if it's possible, I know John loves Balance like me, but Hg just reduced him badly converting him in a loyal vassal. crap :X

I start to think England is pathetic wealthy like a damn pig and dependant like a thin rat. with such incomes I'd be independant, why wasting my time to deal with inferiors, specially at sea. England would have to try to take here and there, to fund those countries that fight agaisnt their competitors, etc. Once again being afraid of someone is better than loving him double crap

Poland, Sweden and Russia are wasting their time in tiny wars of low valuable provinces. We all know Finland will be better in swedish hands. tiny wars make Poland and Russia to be quite behind others' technologies. I think Poland and Russia won't survive at this rate, it's sad.

Oe in silence, Oe knows is in danger, hyperteching, preparing themselves in defensive wars agaisnt crusades. looking for some protection in Venice, apparently failed.

we have now 3 defined alliances. France-Spain; Oe; Poland-Russia. The rest is just neutral, opportunistic, lost undecided or afraid. everything seems to me that Oe-Poland-Russia will be formed, just a thought

 

[admiral drake]

2. HG's France is even scarier than Tonio's France in 1568 New Order. With Spain vassalised, I'd say he's won the game, unless there is a big anti-France coalition set up now, if it's not already too late.

big pro-frence alliance arround

2things btw
1 france promised many years ago venice could take china cots
2 i'm out i consider france winning this game and i give up with such a huge alliance just west of me wich can kill me at any moment they wan't

 

[unmerged(10894)]

I agree from my position as I sub I can really say that if that alliance continues then there's no point in everyone playing.

 

[unmerged(11287)]

big pro-frence alliance arround

2things btw
1 france promised many years ago venice could take china cots
2 i'm out i consider france winning this game and i give up with such a huge alliance just west of me wich can kill me at any moment they wan't

i did, france had nothing to be with it

Ok guys Drake is right, break the alliance now. I'm out of the alliance as independant/neutral for now.

 

[unmerged(27214)]

ANd it would be illogical for England to break with France, leaving number 1 and 2 allied to each other,

It would also be a useful contribution to a game that's gridlocked in fear and hyperteching.

HG's not going to pick you over John anyway. Why should he? After all, you're not supplying France with any good 'ole out-of-thin-air manpower.

 

[King John]

Spain and France make more sense as allies anyway. Spain for one is always at risk of being pummeled by French armies if it's not aligned with France, and France generally lacks the naval power to project its strength adequately, so they're made for each other. England on the other hand doesn't need to take the French army into consideration because it has the English channel protecting it. All it needs to do is maintain its wooden walls.

 

[King John]

Two things -
1. I have never ever played Sweden in this game
2. HG's France is even scarier than Tonio's France in 1568 New Order. With Spain vassalised, I'd say he's won the game, unless there is a big anti-France coalition set up now, if it's not already too late.

We're not to that point yet. I'd say there will be a big France vs BB war next session, and an England vs Spain war, which generally means the alliance will be divided up. And that setup is pretty balanced, BB being near France's power on land, and Spain and England being pretty close navally(at least once I tech up). If a big coalitioin arrises against France now, once LE and Pibe are out, HG and I wouldn't have a chance at defending against their numbers.

 

[King John]

Austria is mine, i claim all the leaders. and they are born in Austria

They've left the country to become Spanish and Venetian citizens though.

 

[unmerged(11287)]

They've left the country to become Spanish and Venetian citizens though.

hehe, sure, lucky me. I accept by spitting the floor in the end Spain needs something.

 

[unmerged(11287)]

We're not to that point yet. I'd say there will be a big France vs BB war next session, and an England vs Spain war, which generally means the alliance will be divided up. And that setup is pretty balanced, BB being near France's power on land, and Spain and England being pretty close navally(at least once I tech up). If a big coalitioin arrises against France now, once LE and Pibe are out, HG and I wouldn't have a chance at defending against their numbers.

Nice Setup I accept, although it's a huge responsability for me, you think I'm big, but I'm just a country with strange shape, evil one maybe

 

[HolisticGod]

Drake,

Only the Franco-English alliance was formed by two even, mutually consenting partners. I fail to see how I've done anything wrong by forcing my neighbors into line. You're damn lucky I didn't rip into Venice last session as it is.

As for England and Spain, the two of them can fight without breaking from France. The winner stays in the alliance; the loser goes. Or both can stay after they finished. LE is free to go in 1700, as far as I'm concerned, as I was pretty kind in exchange for the naval protection I'll have to build for myself now. I should at least have that long to prepare.

However, she doesn't have to go and I certainly don't want to break with the English of my own accord. I do agree that the Bourbons-Bonapartes in France and Spain make more sense, but we'll see.

As for the continent, I'm more than willing to fight a one-on-one against Brandenburg if it so chooses. I'll also fight a one-on-two against BB and Poland once Poland hits eighteen, or a one-on-two versus Venice and BB. No need to call allies.

If it's steeper than that, though, I certainly won't go it alone.

 

[admiral drake]

ill play 1more session sunday , to get time to look for replacement if things change that session i might reconsider leaving

 

[DSYoungEsq]

Portugal was played for half the session, the other half it was AI. We tried to get subs but there simply weren't any around. Guangdong was taken by England after I how I gather it England threatened it with significant retribution from the most evil alliance if Portugal didn't give it. I brought Bandung (subbed Venice) and I have no idea what happened to the third province.

Now wait a minute.


Portugal, by the result of having been AI most of the game, is not in very good shape. Any single player in the game could whip it.

To take that entity and remove from it a large city and its only souteast asian colony while the regular player for the country is away is a bit less than kosher. Not to mention however the third province involved was lost.

[EDIT: No lost third province. Apparently the stats program is a bit ineffective at correctly counting who owns what.]

If the AI was running Portugal for only half the game, when did the sub leave? By how little did I miss being able to finish the session.