Does winning Holy Wars and Crusades increase threat?

[ninoallen]

Say if im the king of Sicily and win a bunch of holy wars for northern Africa and then win a crusade for Jerusalem, will that increase my threat/infamy with the European Christians? or just the Muslims only ? or only the people in my general area?

havnt really played much of the recent patch and conclave since i heard it ruined the game, experienced it first hand when i tried to play as charlemagne and the king of england in the 100 YEARS WARS bookmark, everyone from Germany to Finland went into a coalition against me.

was thinking of getting back into CK2 probably playing as spain or sicily and fighting the muslims.
but this coalition thing and automatic call to arms has really put me off the game.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

According to the latest patch notes 2.5.2 thread, there is no threat gained from event scripted wars. So King Karl Karling in the Charlemagne bookmark should have an easier time, and William the Conqueror probably. Everyone without events to help will have issues growing that large.

-Nations larger than you will not join a coalition against you.

-Above 5% threat, only the people in your general area will join against you. Religious groups will not cooperate yet.

-I thought there was another trigger where more nations join, not just neighbors but I can't find details, 25%? 50%?...

-Above 75% threat, religions like Muslims and Christians will work together. Below that Muslim defensive pacts and Christian defensive pacts stay separate. The larger you are, the more threat you acquire.

-Minimum threat per province 2%, maximum per province 15%, total maximum from each acquisition 100%. Letting your vassals grow for you has to be the most threat efficient method overall. (Needs to be tested I guess, but I can't imagine vassal expansion would give you threat since you weren't even in the war.) Kingdom level conquest (e.g. Crusades) is probably the most threat efficient way to deliberately expand though.

-Minimum threat decay 2.52% per year, maximum decay 4.8% per year.

 

[BD13]

The first update was hard to play but they have made it much better with the recent patch. Still needs some minor balancing and fine tuning but paradox seems to be listening to the community.

Edit: to answer your question... Yes you will still gain threat for conquering Muslim land in holy wars. As stolen rutters pointed out you need to be above a certain level of threat for different religions to work together now.

 

[Aries666]

Winning a crusade wont generate threat, I just won a great holy war (Zunist) for Mesopotamia and it didn't generate any threat even though it doubled my realm size. Standard holy wars do generate threat with the amount increasing the larger you are.

 

[ninoallen]

WHAT !!! why do muslims and christians join together?? arent they suppose to hate eachother in this time period? why fight a holy crusade for god, only to ally with the same infidels your fighting..

Standard holy wars do generate threat with the amount increasing the larger you are.

do the christians get mad at me for winning holy wars? i understand if the muslims do since im fighting them.

 

[Aries666]

WHAT !!! why do muslims and christians join together?? arent they suppose to hate eachother in this time period? why fight a holy crusade for god, only to ally with the same infidels your fighting..


do the christians get mad at me for winning holy wars? i understand if the muslims do since im fighting them.

Yes, but you wont generate as much threat with them I think.