Does Unum Sanctum stop working for heathens around 1670?

[vertinox]

Strangest thing in my TO to Prussia game started in 1399. My first idea I took was Unum Sanctum so I could beat on the Orthodox nations around me early on, but now its 1670 and one of my neighbors (now weaker) is the Ottoman Empire which is of course muslim.

Yet I get no CB against them anymore. I used to all the time but for whatever reason I only get the stab hit CB now.

Suffice to say I still have plenty of free CB against all the protestant and reformed nations to the left of me in Europe but I was just wondering if holy wars go away after a while.

 

[Darkrenown]

It stops in 1650, same as crusades etc.

 

[Fintilgin]

If the NI becomes useless in 1650, it seems like you should get an event that removes it for free, blocks it from being repicked (for the AI), so you can take another event.

Either that or give it some more bonuses, so that when you lose the war-dec bonus it's still worth holding on to.

 

[vertinox]

If the NI becomes useless in 1650, it seems like you should get an event that removes it for free, blocks it from being repicked (for the AI), so you can take another event.

Either that or give it some more bonuses, so that when you lose the war-dec bonus it's still worth holding on to.

Hrm... That's what I thought.

Yeah. I suppose I could swap it out with something else but I still can use it to beat on the non-catholic Christians.

Otherwise it seems a bit useless for an NI

 

[Darkrenown]

If the NI becomes useless in 1650, it seems like you should get an event that removes it for free, blocks it from being repicked (for the AI), so you can take another event.

Either that or give it some more bonuses, so that when you lose the war-dec bonus it's still worth holding on to.

The holy war CB was an entirely new effect in HttT, it doesn't lose any of its main effects, so I don't see how you could consider it useless after 1650. If you took it only for Holy war you just have to suck up the stab hit of changing NIs, it's not like Unam Sanctam is the only way to get it anyway.

 

[Setsuna]

It seems to me Unam Sanctum should also enable war on Heathens. As a National Idea it should encompass all religions, not necessarily Christianity or Islam, and their corresponding Heathens and Heretics.

 

[Darkrenown]

It does, that's the holy war CB we're talking about.

 

[Setsuna]

It does, that's the holy war CB we're talking about.

The op is talking about Unam Sanctum no longer working?

 

[Darkrenown]

No, he mentions it no longer works against the Ottoman empire. As well as letting your DoW heretics, US is one of the triggers for the holy war CB against heathens. You can get holy war if it's before 1650 by either:
Being DotF.
Having Empire FoG.
Having Unam Sanctum.
Having Divine Supremacy.
Neighbouring a heathen.

You also get it against the crusade target so long as you're christen.

 

[GAGA Extrem]

Unam sanctam only works as a CB against heretics.

The CB for heatens is probably deactivated together with the crusade option in 1650.

 

[Darkrenown]

No, it's also a trigger for holy war against heathens:
# Holy War

cb_crusade = {
	mutual = yes

	badboy_factor = 0.25
	prestige_factor = 1.5
	peace_cost_factor = 0.5

	prerequisites = {
		OR = {
			religion_group = christian
			religion_group = muslim
		}
		NOT = { religion_group = THIS }
		OR = {
			government = imperial_government
			defender_of_faith = yes
			neighbour = THIS
			THIS = { is_crusade_target = yes }
	---->>>		[B][U]idea = deus_vult # Actually "Unam Sanctam" <<<---[/U][/B]
			idea = divine_supremacy
		}
		NOT = { year = 1650 }
	}
	
	allowed_provinces = {
		always = yes
	}
	
	po_annex = yes
	po_demand_provinces = yes
	
	country_desc = ALL_INFIDELS
	prov_desc = ALL_PROVS
	war_name = CRUSADE_WAR_NAME
}

 

[unmerged(169112)]

Have non Christian / Muslim nations been beaten up a bit by the new infamy rules, or is it just me? It isn't very hard at all for Christian and Muslim nations to get cheap expansion against other religions, as has been explained here. Pretty much all of them can find suitable targets somewhere. The Asian religions don't seem to have any good option to reduce the prohibitively high new infamy costs. Am I missing something, or is three BB per province from a defensive war the best they can get?

Sorry if it isn't exactly OT. It's fairy close, and it didn't seem like something worth adding yet another new thread.

 

[Setsuna]

..so war against Heathens is now harder than Heretics?

 

[BonSequitur]

..so war against Heathens is now harder than Heretics?

The "holy war" CB is much better than the "purging of heresy" CB. Holy war lets you take provinces at greatly reduced BB cost, while purging heresy pretty much only lets you force convert.