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Dimensional Traveler

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This is gotten really silly. I'm playing US in a GC using 1.03b. I keep getting the 'Stock Market Crash' random event. I think I got it about a dozen times during one 3 year period alone. Its 1890 and I have already had to edit the save game twice to get the rich taxes above zero. Yes, zero. Twice. I'd hate to think what they'd be if I hadn't, probably be -150% and I'd be paying them.

Aren't there supposed to be some events to raise rich tax efficiency BACK UP?!
 

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I believe the chance of stock market crashes happening is increased a lot by the "immoral business" crime. I also believe it's the total number of this kind of crime, rather than the percentage of your country that has it, that increases the chance. This means, of course, that if you have a big country and have neglected crime fighting, you will likely get lots of stock market crashes.

You can avoid the event happening at all though. Just choose aristocracy instead of meritocracy in the invention triggered by the State & Government tech. This makes aristocracy far better than meritocracy for a big crime-ridden country.
 

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That kind of things never seems to happen to me, for example: My last Game, Prussia/Germany, its now 1884, crime fighting al the time at zero, not a single time stock market crash and once battle for the streets. And I chose meritocracy because its diplomats efficiency + 0,20
 

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I know what you mean dtravel. In my U.S. game I had about 10 of them as well. It was just destroying the country.
 

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Some_Guy86 said:
What are the pros of meriotacy?

Well, one thing is better capitalists. They're pretty much worthless if you choose aristocracy. I don't really know any other pros.
 

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It's aristocracy that gives you more diplomats...

Oh yeah ? :eek: Didn't know.
I thought the only factors regarding diplomats were prestige and status (GP or not)
 

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Moinex said:
Oh yeah ? :eek: Didn't know.
I thought the only factors regarding diplomats were prestige and status (GP or not)
Yes, the ideological thought inventions do change a lot of things, including your diplomatic efficiency, but they're the only events in the game that do so.

And back to the stock crashes:

I've read these things occasionally--people having the same terrible event, be it stock market crash, political assassination, factory destruction, whatever--dozens of times in a row. Well, I've experienced that, too, once. In myfirst ever atempt to play the Ottomans, I watched with horror as every single one of my original factories was destroyed by events. I'm sure it would have kept going, too, if I hadn't run out of factories.

Now, there's obviously a randomness to these events, and those of you who've had massive numbers of these fire must also recognize that you don't get the same number in every game. In other words, sometimes they'll popup a dozen times a year, and other times they'll never appear at all. My expeience tends to skew strongly towards the latter--I usually few or none of these events, and the anomaly is when I see a dozen.

Well, it's all part of the way probability works. Sometimes you won't have any factories destroyed, sometimes they'll all be destroyed. If you play dozens of games, it just becomes the luck of the draw. Sometimes you just have to count your blessings and move on. In my Ottoman game, for example, I trudged onward top become second ranked behind UK in everything. Other times, though, you just have to accept that it's the luck of the draw that you stock market keep crashing, accept it, and be thankful this isn't real life.
 

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Funnily enough, the one time I had enough stock market crashes for it to seriously affect my economy, it was as the US also. That country's just cursed I suppose :rofl:

Up till now I was always going for aristocracy in the state & govt invention, but you're saying merit gives you better capitalists? Maybe I should go for them next time, more cash would always be better in the long run I suppose.
 
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I had something similar with the "political murder" in my Austrian game. I lost count of them, might have been ten or more political murders in ~60 years. Quite a lot if you ask me.
I think it's unavoidable to have the stock market crash once in your game (when you've chosen meri), later ther's an event which makes it much less probable.
I just recommend every warmonger to choose aristocracy as you often inherit provinces after annexations or peace treaties - and you inherit them with their crimes!
 

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Yeah,

this has happened me after taking chunks as China as GB. They are so corrupt and max crime spending only eliminates once a turn.

Imagin this, London Stock Broker" Oh the Chinese provinces have immoral business dealings!!!, SELL!!!!"