Does the Ottoman AI use Janissaries at all? Other special units like Russian Streltsy?

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Can't say that I've ever seen it spawn them, I'm curious if anyone has. For that matter the same applies to the Russian AI using Sterltsy's.
 
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Can't say that I've ever seen it spawn them, I'm curious if anyone has. For that matter the same applies to the Russian AI using Sterltsy's.
AI Russia spams streltsy every opportunity they get, I haven’t really seen the Ottomans, but Manchu uses banners, and North Indian countries use Rajputs, so I can only assume Ottomans use Janissaries
 
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They will recruit them when they start running out of manpower, I've found, so you have to really hammer them as they have a lot of manpower. Try to defend in mountainous provinces and bait them into river crossings. If you can get their army to be mostly janissaries after 1600, a disaster fires which cripples them. After that, it's relatively easy to pick them apart.
 
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They will recruit them when they start running out of manpower, I've found, so you have to really hammer them as they have a lot of manpower. Try to defend in mountainous provinces and bait them into river crossings. If you can get their army to be mostly janissaries after 1600, a disaster fires which cripples them. After that, it's relatively easy to pick them apart.
Are you sure about that? To my knowledge in 1.30 AI can't hire special troops in new macro builder. Streltsy and Banners can still be hired in a old way, hence the difference.
 
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Are you sure about that? To my knowledge in 1.30 AI can't hire special troops in new macro builder. Streltsy and Banners can still be hired in a old way, hence the difference.

I don’t know about the macro builder, but they can be hired on the state interface like banners. You need the Cradle of Civilization DLC for that though.
 
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I don’t know about the macro builder, but they can be hired on the state interface like banners. You need the Cradle of Civilization DLC for that though.
That's true, and still I've never seen AI Otto hiring Janissaries in 1.30, while running ~hundreds of obs games in this patch. I'm genuinely curious why.
 
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That's true, and still I've never seen AI Otto hiring Janissaries in 1.30, while running ~hundreds of obs games in this patch. I'm genuinely curious why.

I was playing a game the other day where they raised some, but not as many as they used to. I also noticed that they left an army of 25k sitting in western Anatolia while Poland carpet sieged Greece and Istanbul. Perhaps something has gone wrong for the ottos.
 
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I was playing a game the other day where they raised some, but not as many as they used to. I also noticed that they left an army of 25k sitting in western Anatolia while Poland carpet sieged Greece and Istanbul. Perhaps something has gone wrong for the ottos.

The army doing nothing is a bug related to mercs. Basically the AI will hire a merc stack but for whatever reason they won't give them any order so the stack will just sit there doing nothing. This can be fixed by exiting and reloading the game. However, this bug is common so if you are paying attention you'll see lots of stacks sitting around doing nothing all over the globe.

This is one of the reasons why the big boys have been accruing a lot of debt in 1.30 (paying loads of ducats for expensive armies that do nothing).
 
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Can't say that I've ever seen it spawn them, I'm curious if anyone has. For that matter the same applies to the Russian AI using Sterltsy's.
In my recent England game I had a nice stack of Streltsy courtesy of my (former) vassal Novgorod. I have also had banners in my non-horde armies as well since the patch by integrating those that have them.
 

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The army doing nothing is a bug related to mercs. Basically the AI will hire a merc stack but for whatever reason they won't give them any order so the stack will just sit there doing nothing. This can be fixed by exiting and reloading the game. However, this bug is common so if you are paying attention you'll see lots of stacks sitting around doing nothing all over the globe.

This is one of the reasons why the big boys have been accruing a lot of debt in 1.30 (paying loads of ducats for expensive armies that do nothing).

Oh I see! Oof a stack of 25k mercenaries must have hurt the old purse strings. Thanks for letting me know!
 

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Oh I see! Oof a stack of 25k mercenaries must have hurt the old purse strings. Thanks for letting me know!

It really hurts their finances, yes. You welcome.