Does the event "Destruction of the French Fleet" actually do anything?

[juv95hrn]

Consider this event:

####################################
# Destruction of the French Fleet #
####################################
# Mers-el-Kébir
diplomatic_decisions = {

destruction_of_french_fleet = {
potential = {
tag = ENG
not = { has_country_flag = destruction_of_the_french_fleet }
exists = VIC
ENG = { war_with = GER }
VIC = {
or = {
10561 = { units_in_province = 1 }
10563 = { units_in_province = 1 }
}
}
}
allow = {
VIC = { not = { war_with = GER } }
}
effect = {
set_country_flag = destruction_of_the_french_fleet
relation = { who = VIC value = -30 }
national_unity = 2
VIC = { country_event = 2601 }
}
ai_will_do = {
factor = 1
}
}
}

I can't find an even 2601 for Vichy. Does this event really sink any Vichy naval units or what really happens when you trigger this decision?

What happens with french exp forces in UK service when Vichy is triggered? Do the remain in UK service or are the destroyed?

 

[Oof]

It improves relations with the USA by +10??? or something like that. Cant remeber the exact number and its hard to log in at work

Event 2601 may have been from SF or HOI3. Some events, like for example the US occupation of Iceland, have been deleted from Ftm but sometimes parts of it can still be found in the files.

 

[juv95hrn]

It improves relations with the USA by +10??? or something like that. Cant remeber the exact number and its hard to log in at work

Event 2601 may have been from SF or HOI3. Some events, like for example the US occupation of Iceland, have been deleted from Ftm but sometimes parts of it can still be found in the files.

Yes, and increase NU by +2 for the UK. But does it do something with the Vichy Fleet?

 

[scroggin]

open the consol and try event 2601 to see

 

[Wellington527]

i was messing with console commands and i stumbled upon it i think it does something around 95% neg naval organisation until 1999

 

[Darkrenown]

Nope, all it does is:

###################################
# Destruction of the French Fleet #
###################################
country_event = {
	
	id = 2601

	is_triggered_only = yes
	
	title = "EVTNAME2601"
	desc = "EVTDESC2601"
	picture = "naval_reinforcements"

	option = {
		name = "EVTOPTA2601"			# How dare they!
		relation = { who = ENG value = -10 }
	}
}

A further -10 relations between VIC/ENG.

 

[Baltasar]

I assume that the problem is that you can not create an event where you remove a X ships because you can not know which ships will be left over once France falls. It should push Vichy further into the Axis corner and damage VIC / UK relations more, though.

 

[Cybvep]

I doesn't do anything meaningful. Same in case of Pearl Harbor event.

 

[Baltasar]

In both cases NU of the victim nation should recieve a boost, Pearl Harbor being a good historical example.

 

[Oof]

I assume that the problem is that you can not create an event where you remove a X ships because you can not know which ships will be left over once France falls. It should push Vichy further into the Axis corner and damage VIC / UK relations more, though.

I am pretty sure the ships are removed when the Vichy event fires. When the event fires some ships remain Free French and the others are deleted. Vichy forces have their own file from which they are created when the event fires. So its likely PI has taken the Mers-el-Kébir event into account. Cant check it though, cause (again) I am at work…not working

In both cases NU of the victim nation should recieve a boost, Pearl Harbor being a good historical example.

I don’t agree. First of all the attack on Pearl Harbour was done without a DOW while the Japanese were still negoiating with the Americans. The destruction of the French fleet at Mers-el-Kébir wasn’t. When the RN arrived at Mers-el-Kébir the admiral Somerville actually gave the Frecnh the choice to:
- To join the RN with their ships.
- To join the RN with reduced crews.
- To move the fleet to a French port in the West-Indies under RN supervision
- To move the fleet to a port in the USA under RN supervision
- Otherwise the fleet will be destroyed in 6 hours.
So it wasn’t a surpise attack and it certainly cant be compared with the attack on Pearl Harbour.

Though seen by many within France as an act of treason by the British, there were also a lot of French who understood why the British didn’t want to take the risk of the French Fleet falling into German hands.
Besides that, Vichy as a country for the two years it existed, was split. The Vichy government was seen by many as a puppet of Hitler. And even in Vichy France the resistance was active.

When it comes to the UK, the action of the RN at Mers-el-Kébir had no real effect in uniting the British people. It was the bombing of Britain that raised their spirits.

What could be done, to make the game more interesting, is to add the choices above as a chance event. So in some games the RN will destroy the fleet, in some they will join, etc.