Do you want to put forts at the border or one province in?

[Daddl]

Their is a type of fort that does not have zone of control. All Capital get a free fort. To counteract opms from being a pain with zone of control they removed the zone of control from default capital forts. You have to upgrade the fort in the capital in order to get zone of control in them.

Thats not my problem. I understood this. There are other occasions where it just doesn't seem to be right.

Guess I just have to get my hands on it to figure it out.

 

[Thrake]

I wonder if it won't be some sort of Medieval Maginot line, where heavily fortifying a border with your rival will just make him get access through another neighbour...

 

[arctus]

hm ja, enemys could just go around your fort line with military access, would make your hole border defenses useless

 

[Wizzington]

The forts control the provinces next to them. So the enemy could enter the gap, but could not advance further except to one of the forts. A single fort would indeed be able to control a 3 province border.
Keep in mind one has not to completely siege a fort to move past it, it only has to be under siege.

Incorrect. Once you enter a fort's ZoC you can only go at the fort or go back the way you came, and this is true until you siege it down.

If it looks a bit different in the youtube previews it's because that build isn't the final one.

 

[bisthebis]

So if we go enter to the Zoc via the fort province, we can't go further ?

 

[Kerschey]

So if we go enter to the Zoc via the fort province, we can't go further ?

In one stream I was watching, the player landed an army via transports directly onto a fort province and was unable to move into an adjacent unfortified province, so that seems correct.

 

[Wizzington]

So if we go enter to the Zoc via the fort province, we can't go further ?

Correct, though you can double back and enter a different province if you border other provinces in the fort's ZoC.

Basically, whenever inside a hostile's fort ZoC (including standing on the fort) you may only do one of four things:
1) Go to the fort (if not already there)
2) Go back the exact way you came
3) Go to an adjacent seazone if you have transports there
4) Go to an adjacent friendly-controlled province that is not in a hostile ZoC

 

[Ixal]

Incorrect. Once you enter a fort's ZoC you can only go at the fort or go back the way you came, and this is true until you siege it down.

If it looks a bit different in the youtube previews it's because that build isn't the final one.

Good to know.

 

[mcmanusaur]

Incorrect. Once you enter a fort's ZoC you can only go at the fort or go back the way you came, and this is true until you siege it down.

If it looks a bit different in the youtube previews it's because that build isn't the final one.

So did you guys give any thought to making forts cheaper and only giving them control of their own province? I think this cross-province stuff is a lot less intuitive to many people... we'll see, maybe it will make more sense in-game.

 

[Wizzington]

So did you guys give any thought to making forts cheaper and only giving them control of their own province? I think this cross-province stuff is a lot less intuitive to many people... we'll see, maybe it will make more sense in-game.

No, but we improved the interface significantly in the final build. Should be a lot clearer.

 

[Ixal]

4) Go to an adjacent friendly-controlled province that is not in a hostile ZoC

So you wouldn't be able to move into a friendly controlled province inside a hostile ZoC (fort on the border)?

 

[Wizzington]

So you wouldn't be able to move into a friendly controlled province inside a hostile ZoC (fort on the border)?

Right, though forts can only control provinces with the same owner.

 

[Ritmas]

Incorrect. Once you enter a fort's ZoC you can only go at the fort or go back the way you came, and this is true until you siege it down.

If it looks a bit different in the youtube previews it's because that build isn't the final one.

So my 100k army won't be able to push deeper in the enemies lands even if I leave half of my army to siege the fort? Why is that?

 

[Wizzington]

So my 100k army won't be able to push deeper in the enemies lands even if I leave half of my army to siege the fort? Why is that?

Because then the whole fort system would have absolutely no point.

 

[Thrake]

So my 100k army won't be able to push deeper in the enemies lands even if I leave half of my army to siege the fort? Why is that?

If you have 100k men, you might as well just assault it.

 

[Slayen]

If you have 100k men, you might as well just assault it.

Can't do that until he breaches the walls now.

 

[Heatth]

Right, though forts can only control provinces with the same owner.

Not even allies? Does that mean a fort bordering an allied province won't extend its zone of control to them, meaning the enemy could go around a fort through there?

 

[bisthebis]

But you need a breech to assault now

 

[Neoton]

Because then the whole fort system would have absolutely no point.

Can it be modded so that forts still have the ZOC but armies can pass through the provinces in that ZOC(of course not through the forth province itself)? It kind of doesn't make much sense for your army to be unable to move, say, north into enemy territory because the enemy has a fort 100 - 200 km to the east.

 

[Ritmas]

Can't do that until he breaches the walls now.

This. And I get the point of the system, but I think there should be some kind of threshold, otherwise being aggressor in wars simply will be way too demanding to your armies. Defenders will most of the time have the river and mountain modifiers, even beating them at such odds won't bear any fruit as you will only be able to watch the enemy have a tea party in the province nearby as your 3x superior force will be sieging that 1level fort province for 3years, because rng god has forsaken me. The concept of full scale invasion and overrunning enemy is almost deleted, especially with the breach changes, meaning spending 2-3years on the enemy borders.

Tho, this is my pessimistic speculations.