Do you want to put forts at the border or one province in?
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The con is that people can occupy your border provinces more easily.
The pro is that your provinces have a larger zone of control.
The pro is that your provinces have a larger zone of control.
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When putting them directly on the border you would need more forts to cover all your provinces if you want that as half of their ZoC is wasted. But you also deny the enemy more loot as they cant advance as deep with as many men.
But assuming that you still conquer lands, border forts will become inland forts anyway and fort placement also depends on terrain and local choke points.
But assuming that you still conquer lands, border forts will become inland forts anyway and fort placement also depends on terrain and local choke points.
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Having forts directly on your borders gives the benefit of extending you ZoC into the enemy's provinces, and possibly auto-occupy them if they don't have a fort nearby. But is that really such a big benefit? If they have forts nearby, nothing happens, and if they don't, you could just send troops to do the occupying instead. Having a fort in a province also stop enemies from looting the province. But I don't think one should be too concerned with enemies looting your border provinces, because you can hardly afford to have a fort in EVERY border province anyways. The most important function of forts is to stop enemies from advancing past them, and so it does not really matter if you put it directly on the border or deeper into your territory. I would choose to build it in a province which is easy to defend with an army, and which gives much attrition. Since the enemy must first siege a fort in order to pass, they must of course first get into that province. This means that you can just place your army on the same province as the fort is, and they are FORCED to attack you if they want to get pass it. Thus, putting a fort in a mountainous province with many river crossings will force the enemy to engage you with very bad odds. And if they manage to win that very costly battle, there will be more attrition for them when they start sieging.
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if you would to chose puting them on a border its not the best to have them in every province in a row? if you have a 1 province gap inbetween the can walk there? lets sa you have a 3 province wide border.. can you put 1 fort in the middle for them to not be able to walk in?
A fort's zone of control (ZoC) extends to the province it is built in and all adjacent provinces. Enemies can move into but not past a fort's ZoC (if I understand it correctly). If you have a 3 province wide border it would suffice to build one fort in the middle in order to stop enemies form passing through. They could still loot the 2 border province without forts though.
The forts control the provinces next to them. So the enemy could enter the gap, but could not advance further except to one of the forts. A single fort would indeed be able to control a 3 province border.
Keep in mind one has not to completely siege a fort to move past it, it only has to be under siege.
EDIT: Clarified by Wiz, that was based on a older build, forts have to be completely sieged down to go past them.
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WAT? really? Where did you read that? All my plans are ruined!!
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Well, in an ideal situation every province must have a fort, but this is too expensive in early game, so in early game i would build them on the border cuz that gives you time to counterattack and gives you the initiative
Stuff and nonsense. Most provinces will not have enough building slots to waste one on a fort.
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Soo in new patch we will still carpet siege everything as always? If this is true, what would it [patch] change?
If you put forts at the borders, you have less time to react in case of sudden DoW. I assume that if it takes less than a month to march into a fort, you may not have enough time to unmothball and regarrison it. It doesn't matter against the AI though, because it's very obvious when it's planning an attack, but it would matter in MP.
Just to clarify, there is a third case I think: they have a fort nearby and you have a higher level fort. In that case building that fort on the border gives automatic occupations, that would otherwise be impossible without sieging their fort. Under the right circumstances, that can be a war winning advantage, e.g. one of those provinces is war goal and armies are equal só nobody manages to siege anything.
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It partially depends on geography, it seems. If a fort can be placed in the mountains, controlling a 2 wide border, but moving it back forces to be on farmland with an uncontrolled province on each side of the ZOC so that you'de need another fort to block asccess, then the answer seems pretty obvious to me.
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I assume that like with armies and fleet, it would take more than just one month to get a fort back to full efficiency. There wouldn't be any meaningful difference if the fort is put directly at border or one province deeper in.
ah yes, that is very true.
