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Ottomans were dead or dying at this point and Turkey is very poor and cannot into industrialising. Greece however is a little low on industrial score.
Words cannot describe how jealous I am that I was unable to be there. I guess living in the US puts on a damper on the ability to get to Sweden quickly.
Greece in 1836 had no industry whatsoever, it was a dirt-poor backwater that would remain trapped in cycles of debt and poverty throughout the nineteenth century, dependent upon raw materia exports (currants, later tobacco after the acquisition of Thessaly in 1881) to earn hard currency to meet its interest payments.
Basic industrialization in Greece does not start until the 1920s.
For an excellent introduction on the history of post-1830 Greece and the severe economic limitation the country faced in the 19C, see Koliopoulis et al, Greece: The Modern Sequel, (New York:2002)
No game is as good as hype. That is pretty clear by the definition of the word "hype."
Legend has it that Big Rigs very much lived up to its 'hype'
I'm rolfing myself here just re-reading it... from now on, anytime anyone criticises any PI game, they should just post that link
I can see how state capitalists states would borrow a lot of money, but do Laizze Faire states go into debt as well? There doesn't seem to be much more than Ports for them to spend state funds on. I suppose a war could result in debt as well.
Interesting that state capitalism can be as good as or even better than using your national focus to make more cappies and hoping for the best. I assume your NF would be used to recruit craftsmen and later clerks?
Every state has to pay the salaries of bureaucrats, clergy, soldiers and upkeep of the armies.. so yes, a laissez-faire state can go bankrupt.
I find when playing Laizze Faire, I use debt to finaince wars. Armies consume more goods when I am at war so I need more money. Debt is an easy way to do that, then I pay off the debt and prepaire for my next war.
State Capitalism is not neccessary as good, you need to borrow the money, service the interest and then you have less finaincal resources for things like wars.
greece was not in any better position than the OE. Egypt however was a strongest potential in this game to replace the OE. i hope they are properly represented this time.
Wow, a few more years and you can probably sell it for a healthy profit
From what I saw, Egypt looked like a powerhouse with provinces up all the Levant and into Anatolia.
Egypt in Vic:Revolution was unbearably underrepresented, its army were ridiculously no match for the Ottoman.
Looking forward to playing as Egypt in Vic 2, too.
Historically wars were the number one reason for nations to go into large amounts of debt, and it has always been after major wars that national debt has been at a high.
good to here.
i just went through the whole little multiplayer game sort of AAR, and i am loving what i am hearing. we could've seen a german-austrian war for bavaria before the end of the game. i never played multi with my Vicky, but i will surely give it a try with V2.
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I was late into the game as well, so when I took over Mexico it was taxing the entire nation to the max, had 2500 soldiers, minimal expenses and was deeply into debt..
Before abandoning Mexico a couple of years before game end, I managed to repay all debts, max expensens and tenfold my army. But since I knew it was only half an hour left by then and I had allied with too many of the itty-bitty states to the south, I switched to Belgium instead, just to look at the factory things a little. (And since USA had allied me before I joined
)Factories, because Mexico had zero factories when I got it, and I was unable to get any. (Mostly due to the liberal party taking over and me being without capitalists.) I was promised that both my problems had solutions, only not in the build we were using
At first hearing how bad Mexico AI was doing, I got worried about the AI. But thinking about it, nothing's really wrong with a nation's economy going awry. I'm not sure, but I think Mexico was never that well off economically.