Do you think that France can pull out an offensive move like they promised to Poland
Do you think that France can pull out an offensive move?
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Why not? France has several aggressive options in its National Focus tree, and the Germans later admitted that had the French invaded across the Maginot line in 1939/40 the Wehrmacht would have been quickly defeated in the West.
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I think we're about to see if they can with the Commune France WWW playthrough!
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Against the AI: maybe
Against a human: highly doubtful
Caveat : If the human playing Germany had never played the game before or knew nothing about WWII then maybe. But for any human German player France is a must capture. I just don't see how any halfway competent German player allows France to survive.
France pulling out an offensive move: Yes they can
France surviving after the summer of '40: Not so much
Against a human: highly doubtful
Caveat : If the human playing Germany had never played the game before or knew nothing about WWII then maybe. But for any human German player France is a must capture. I just don't see how any halfway competent German player allows France to survive.
France pulling out an offensive move: Yes they can
France surviving after the summer of '40: Not so much
Only if they can get rid of those terrible modifiers like "victor of the Great War"
More on this in the France DD
More on this in the France DD
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I am looking forward to see if Red France from gameplay can march east from Maginot line.
The Third Reich needs some Liberte!
The Third Reich needs some Liberte!
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In theory (Which is all this speculation is) If a human player was sufficiently distracted on his eastern front a competent french player could use that chance to push through western Germany. Human players have a tendency to pull extra troops away to other fronts if they think another player won't attack them, which most German players will be believing.
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It's so circumstantial, but in a fairly historical game, it's probably possible to pull off, if extraordinarily tricky.
It works both ways, though -- human France player has the hindsight of knowing how soft spot their north flank is, and has no illusions Germans may let them live after they're done with Poland.
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If the rest of the game is historical, I think it would fail. But HoI4 is made to be ahistorical, like this we can play more without be weary, so in some games, I think France could be agressive, like if Germany don't take Austria or don't stay nazi.
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There is also the option than in HoI4 MP there will be even more USRR action.
France will be more active on West flank, probably there will be some oppotuinity ot German North coast resulting in far less forces for Poland.
And most ppl will know that around 39 policies will fire, so they will be ready.
France will be more active on West flank, probably there will be some oppotuinity ot German North coast resulting in far less forces for Poland.
And most ppl will know that around 39 policies will fire, so they will be ready.
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Marching across the Maginot line to impale yourself on the Siegfried line doesn't sound like a great idea.
Pushing through Belgium and go around Siegfried however, they will never expect that !
Pushing through Belgium and go around Siegfried however, they will never expect that !
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If you start your game in 1940, and if Poland isn't a big deal to Germany, if the GB is what the GB was in 40, I guess France won't be able to make a successful offensive or something better than the phoney war.
But if you start in 1933, make the reforms and choices that French politicians and high rank officers didn't make in the 30's, even with a Germany human player, the odds will be different.
But if you start in 1933, make the reforms and choices that French politicians and high rank officers didn't make in the 30's, even with a Germany human player, the odds will be different.
Though you can choose to start in 1939 according to the Poland WWW where they said they started using the '39 start.
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Yeah there are 2 start dates, 1936 let you prepare and change history, in 1939 you go straight into the war.
(after the usual caveat that nobody knows) I'd say that if you side with Britain you'd be well advised to stay defensive, but if you go with the petite entente then it's irrational to sit behind the Maginot and watch your minor allies get overrun one by one before the crocodile comes for you. My plan is to greatly shrink the size of the French army, have what remains extremely good, and go with the Superior Firepower doctrine. I'll pump out as much equipment as I can for the rest of the entente, and attack across the Rhine on the first day of hostilities.
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Your best strategy for Poland is to overproduce the crap out of small arms, and then give them to the Poles. Also, if you have updated your air force, all the old planes could also be sent to them. That should slow the germans down and buy you time. You could also assist with your own air force.
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Split into 3 army groups.
Fortify your borders, extend the maginot line north, and station a defensive army all along the border, then push through Italy, first with mountain divisions, then send a spearhead into the soft underbelly of the axis where there won't be many German troops, trying to link up with Poland and possibly knocking out Czechoslovakia, with a small but well equipped elite mobile army of tanks and infantry helping hold Warsaw.(If you can send them to help the Spanish, getting them experience would be a huge help when pushing deep into axis territory.)
Before that though, have a small to mid sized army in North Africa ready to immediately make an offensive into Sicily and up the Italian Peninsula before attacking over the alps would help keep the troops on the French border from getting priority reinforcement....
If nothing else, it would be an epic grand battle plan to draw up!
If you can help Poland defend itself with aid for a while, it would be prudent to use the North Africa army to mop up Italian forces in Africa before they're reinforced with Germans and more Italians, maybe sending a few diversion invasions of Marines and paratroopers into mainland Italy to keep them from sending troops to Africa.
This all assumes that you can get Italy into the war earlier than their historically declaration.
Drawing up super complex battle plans engaging multiple armies on different fronts is going to be sooo fun. That's the thing I've been dreaming about since I saw the battle plan editor. I wish they'd use it on www for other than throwing a simple arrow from frontier to frontier...I'm going to try making super complex battleplans, and try to get it to work smoothly with zero interference at some point...maybe a giant US battle plan aiming at Mexico or Canada, drawing main Army arrows, with smaller arrows trying to encircle cities and large groups of forces. Guess decryption and encryption will be a huge factor...they said you can see enemies battle plans if yours is high enough right? I hope neighboring countries actually make battleplans, even if they don't predict war with certain bordering countries.
Here's a poorly drawn battleplan divided into 3 phases, and 3 armies.
http://postimg.org/image/a2h5evrsr/
Fortify your borders, extend the maginot line north, and station a defensive army all along the border, then push through Italy, first with mountain divisions, then send a spearhead into the soft underbelly of the axis where there won't be many German troops, trying to link up with Poland and possibly knocking out Czechoslovakia, with a small but well equipped elite mobile army of tanks and infantry helping hold Warsaw.(If you can send them to help the Spanish, getting them experience would be a huge help when pushing deep into axis territory.)
Before that though, have a small to mid sized army in North Africa ready to immediately make an offensive into Sicily and up the Italian Peninsula before attacking over the alps would help keep the troops on the French border from getting priority reinforcement....
If nothing else, it would be an epic grand battle plan to draw up!
If you can help Poland defend itself with aid for a while, it would be prudent to use the North Africa army to mop up Italian forces in Africa before they're reinforced with Germans and more Italians, maybe sending a few diversion invasions of Marines and paratroopers into mainland Italy to keep them from sending troops to Africa.
This all assumes that you can get Italy into the war earlier than their historically declaration.
Drawing up super complex battle plans engaging multiple armies on different fronts is going to be sooo fun. That's the thing I've been dreaming about since I saw the battle plan editor. I wish they'd use it on www for other than throwing a simple arrow from frontier to frontier...I'm going to try making super complex battleplans, and try to get it to work smoothly with zero interference at some point...maybe a giant US battle plan aiming at Mexico or Canada, drawing main Army arrows, with smaller arrows trying to encircle cities and large groups of forces. Guess decryption and encryption will be a huge factor...they said you can see enemies battle plans if yours is high enough right? I hope neighboring countries actually make battleplans, even if they don't predict war with certain bordering countries.
Here's a poorly drawn battleplan divided into 3 phases, and 3 armies.
http://postimg.org/image/a2h5evrsr/
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I think the only way to defeat Germany as France is to contain it early, perhaps as soon as 1938. In my first playthrough as France I will try to establish strong Little Entente and perhaps support Poland as well to surround Germany and let it bleed heavily if it decide to move against Czechoslovakia in 1938.