Do you join religious league wars as Sunni Ottomans?

[ianchen12345]

yeah so it's 1560 and the religious league thing in the HRE occured. Can't expand into Europe because I would be fighting like 15-20 countries (same league). So do u as the Ottomans, just wait till they finish their business in the HRE? or join the presumably winning side?

 

[ianchen12345]

So on the Catholics side: major players include: Austria, Hungary (well not very strong cuz I cut it in half 30 years ago), Muscovy (my only rival) and Sweden.
So on the Protestant side: major players include: Aragon (I helped them declare independence after iberian wedding), Milan and Poland.

 

[raikaria]

You're probobly not going to be taking land as the Ottomans in a League War unless your League Leader decides to be very nice; so generally it boils down to two tactics:

1: If most of your enemies are in one League; join the opposite one to get a war against them where you have a lot of allies. This is particularly attractive if the League where your enemies are is the weaker one. You may not get land; but they can lose Emperor/Elector; miss out the 'X Empire' bonuses; get their manpower and money torn to shreds as they take a billion loans, and the AI leader may release nations/give land to others/any other number of things to screw with them as they separate peace

2: Stay out of it. Wait for the war to start. Jump in on your own later while the HRE/Europe is in complete turmoil and no-one will back anyone up due to loans/other wars/manpower.

Looking at who is in what Leauge; unless Muscovy is really strong [I can't see them fully] you should make claims on Italy/Austria and join the Protestants; because France; and Austria is pitiful. If Russia is stronger than you are, you should probobly stay out of it and declare separately later simply because you'd probobly end up having to 1v1 Russia; maybe with some Polish aid. The Protestants would still probobly win but you'd lose a lot of manpower/money and it might not be worth tangleing with Russia.

Also it's really rare that I see Russia join a League.

 

[ianchen12345]

You're probobly not going to be taking land as the Ottomans in a League War unless your League Leader decides to be very nice; so generally it boils down to two tactics:

1: If most of your enemies are in one League; join the opposite one to get a war against them where you have a lot of allies. This is particularly attractive if the League where your enemies are is the weaker one. You may not get land; but they can lose Emperor/Elector; miss out the 'X Empire' bonuses; get their manpower and money torn to shreds as they take a billion loans, and the AI leader may release nations/give land to others/any other number of things to screw with them as they separate peace

2: Stay out of it. Wait for the war to start. Jump in on your own later while the HRE/Europe is in complete turmoil and no-one will back anyone up due to loans/other wars/manpower.

Looking at who is in what Leauge; unless Muscovy is really strong [I can't see them] you should make claims on Italy/Austria and join the Protestants; because France; and Austria is pitiful. If Russia is stronger than you are, you should probobly stay out of it and declare separately later.

ahh both tactics work so i don't really know which one to do... If i join the league war, I'll join the protestant side (because I want to crush Muscovy, Austria and Hungary).

But then again.. If they just fight each other... I could've attacked Austria and take Wien (which is just next to me) and click that westernize button...

umm....

 

[Fulmen]

Of course. Juicy miltech bonus and free army trad.

Especially important in PvP MP.

 

[Ironside121]

Juicy miltech bonus and free army trad.

This this this this this.

 

[Gratak]

yeah so it's 1560 and the religious league thing in the HRE occured. Can't expand into Europe because I would be fighting like 15-20 countries (same league). So do u as the Ottomans, just wait till they finish their business in the HRE? or join the presumably winning side?

You can actually attack anyone that is not a league leader without pulling the whole league into a war. I wouldn't join in your position. Looks like the war is going to start with our without you and that is a good time to expand into Europe easily.

 

[hrimhari]

Hells yes. Join protestant league, help them win, then declare on the new Emperor one day after the war ends and there are only a few electors (who they are probably allied with). Dismantling the HRE is so easy after a league war.

 

[ianchen12345]

so if the league war started without me and both sides are suffering huge losses...., if i declare war then on Austria (leader of Catholic league), do all the catholic league members still join as Co-belligerent?

 

[ianchen12345]

Hells yes. Join protestant league, help them win, then declare on the new Emperor one day after the war ends and there are only a few electors (who they are probably allied with). Dismantling the HRE is so easy after a league war.

don't i have a truce with everyone after the league war?

 

[hrimhari]

don't i have a truce with everyone after the league war?

Only the losing side.

Edit: at least, as I remember it. I could be wrong!

 

[ianchen12345]

Only the losing side.

Edit: at least, as I remember it. I could be wrong!

well .... i guess... i think the only country that i may attack if the protestant wins is Poland... the rest are too far away (England, Aragon, France)
But then again... I want that westernization asap...

 

[ianchen12345]

You're probobly not going to be taking land as the Ottomans in a League War unless your League Leader decides to be very nice; so generally it boils down to two tactics:

1: If most of your enemies are in one League; join the opposite one to get a war against them where you have a lot of allies. This is particularly attractive if the League where your enemies are is the weaker one. You may not get land; but they can lose Emperor/Elector; miss out the 'X Empire' bonuses; get their manpower and money torn to shreds as they take a billion loans, and the AI leader may release nations/give land to others/any other number of things to screw with them as they separate peace

2: Stay out of it. Wait for the war to start. Jump in on your own later while the HRE/Europe is in complete turmoil and no-one will back anyone up due to loans/other wars/manpower.

Looking at who is in what Leauge; unless Muscovy is really strong [I can't see them fully] you should make claims on Italy/Austria and join the Protestants; because France; and Austria is pitiful. If Russia is stronger than you are, you should probobly stay out of it and declare separately later simply because you'd probobly end up having to 1v1 Russia; maybe with some Polish aid. The Protestants would still probobly win but you'd lose a lot of manpower/money and it might not be worth tangleing with Russia.

Also it's really rare that I see Russia join a League.

Muscovy can't form Russia because it doesn't have Novgorod. Tver owns it and I proclaimed guarantee on Tver. i guess Muscovy joins the league wars because it expands west and took many Lithuanian provinces.. so i guess (closer proximity to HRE, more likely to join league wars?)

Yeah there's many weird things in this game. First no PU between poland and Lithuania. Poland declared war on Teutons but Teutons are allied to Hungary. Since no PU, Poland gets CRUSHED, released "voly something" and many others and no alliance with Lithuania. Lithuania gets absorbed at first by Crimea and Golden Horde. Then Muscovy takes the rest. Iberian wedding happened around 1460? and France lost to the Castile PU group and lost many land. Then later on Aragon asked me to support independence and I did and Aragon and Naples broke free. Austria had a PU over England but then it got lost sometime in the game.

 

[hrimhari]

well .... i guess... i think the only country that i may attack if the protestant wins is Poland... the rest are too far away (England, Aragon, France)
But then again... I want that westernization asap...

My point is you declare on the new Emperor. Much easier to get all the electors in one war if there are only a few electors, and easier to win when there broke from the religious war. Even if they aren't rivals, having the HRE gone is a huge benefit to western expansion. Also, it's fun to watch the border gore as all the opms go up in flames.

 

[raikaria]

My point is you declare on the new Emperor. Much easier to get all the electors in one war if there are only a few electors, and easier to win when there broke from the religious war. Even if they aren't rivals, having the HRE gone is a huge benefit to western expansion. Also, it's fun to watch the border gore as all the opms go up in flames.

Actually the fallout is bad for the Ottomans if that happens. Consildated power in Europe that has a habit of banding up against the Heathens.

 

[ianchen12345]

So update: I joined the protestant league and war soon broke out in like 1562. It was a quick war (took only like 3 years). We outnumber them 2 to 1. Well now I get a truce with a lot of people for 15 years. I didn't gain much (no power projection, only like 50 ducats or something. But England DID release Aquielia..

 

[hrimhari]

Actually the fallout is bad for the Ottomans if that happens. Consildated power in Europe that has a habit of banding up against the Heathens.

All depends on your alliances and whether you're in a position to mop up. If your being passive about Europe, definitely. Leave the HRE in place, let them distract with internal conflicts. If you want to actually mess them up? Getting rid of the +force limit, diplo rep, unrest reduction and other things that the Emperor gets is a great start.

As well as the basic thing of getting rid of the extra AE from taking HRE provinces.