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Unless I'm misunderstanding him, Johan's comments on QT3 make it sound like the ACW is set to fire early barring player involvement. Sounds deliberate to me.

I'm just expressing my opinion that the ACW should fire over a range of time in situations where the player is not involved and not fire early instead by default.
Johan specifically said that there was no set date for the ACW player or AI and that it's only a series of events and decisions that determines when it will start. That the AI tends to make bad choices as the United States is not deliberate at all, just a coincidence.
 

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What are you trying to say here? That we deliberately set the ACW to fire early to ruin your game?

I took him to mean that the fact that it's firing early isn't what annoys him, it's that it's firing around the same year every time. He wants the possibility for the AI to fire it any year over a few decades, or possibly not at all.
 

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Johan specifically said that there was no set date for the ACW player or AI and that it's only a series of events and decisions that determines when it will start. That the AI tends to make bad choices as the United States is not deliberate at all, just a coincidence.

Yes and no. The AI should, at least some of time, make different choices that put off the ACW (or even avoid it entirely). Saying that the AI has the choice but alway makes the bad ones isn't very different from saying that the event is hardcoded to happen.

Right now we have 8/8 examples where the ACW fired pretty early (1848 x 1, 1849 x 6, 1852 or earlier x 1). That's not a coincidence IMHO. ;)
 

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The good side is that people who want to play the game as CSA are given 11 additional years of gameplay. ;)
 

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Yes and no. The AI should, at least some of time, make different choices that put off the ACW (or even avoid it entirely). Saying that the AI has the choice but alway makes the bad ones isn't very different from saying that the event is hardcoded to happen.

Right now we have 8/8 examples where the ACW fired pretty early (1848 x 1, 1849 x 6, 1852 or earlier x 1). That's not a coincidence IMHO. ;)
Eight out of hundreds if not thousands is a horrible sample size to base a statistic on. ;)
 

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From reading the two volume "Road to Disunion" I have been under the impression that civil war could have broken out at several different times prior to the historic date so its not so far fetched.
 

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I'll bet my ass and a number of other things that IF we get an expansion it'll have

1. 1861 Starting Date
2. More Elaborate Event Chains Leading to the American Civil war
3. A Possibility of It not happening at all
4. Cool new Sprites (Much Like the extra level in EU3)
5. a week or two after the expanison an awesome new Confederate Spritepack on steam for only 1.99$, you know you shouldn't buy it, but you want it soooo much:p

(I'm saying IF in my moderator impression)
 

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5. a week or two after the expanison an awesome new Confederate Spritepack on steam for only 1.99$, you know you shouldn't buy it, but you want it soooo much:p

I will buy it for sure!
 

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Why is everyone so obsessed with ACW in a game that revolves around Austria?
 

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Why is everyone so obsessed with ACW in a game that revolves around Austria?

Why are you always so obsessed about Austria?

And to answer your question: because the ACW is the most interesting event in human history......:p
 

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its quite clear from the title that this game is about the british colonial expansion into the west coast of canada, the interior of east africa and south australia


but on the topic, of how the ACW works
which states if any, have to be in the CSA everytime?
or is it all fluid
 

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Eight out of hundreds if not thousands is a horrible sample size to base a statistic on. ;)

We only have the 8 right now. That someone ran five games completely "hands off" and got that result has to concern you, right?

I'd love to see someone come in and argue that what I've noted is coincidental, but neither Johan on QT3 or King here actually said that, did they? Nor has anyone who has the game (assuming they are free to discuss it). I'm hoping when the game is released this won't prove to be an issue.

And the issue isn't the ACW specifically, it's just something I noticed and wondered about.
 

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Why are you always so obsessed about Austria?

The Empire is made of win, unbeatable in flavor and diversity, plus every major event revolves around it.
 

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Unless I'm misunderstanding him, Johan's comments on QT3 make it sound like the ACW is set to fire early barring player involvement. Sounds deliberate to me.

I'm just expressing my opinion that the ACW should fire over a range of time in situations where the player is not involved and not fire early instead by default.

No it ran something like this, we weren't getting an ACW at all. So we lowered the bar and upped the POP issue script effects. The net effect was we ended up with an ACW, but it kept happening early. We are now back tonning things down again so it falls in a more historical range.
 
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Why would early ACW be such a problem? At the end of the day it supposed to be sanbox game. Therefore date of the ACW (or even if ACW will happen) should depend on decision you and others are making. Not on the historiccal date.
 

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Why is everyone so obsessed with ACW in a game that revolves around Austria?

Why are you always so obsessed about Austria?

And to answer your question: because the ACW is the most interesting event in human history......:p

I always thought the game revolves around the possibillity of a second golden age for the Netherlands...

its quite clear from the title that this game is about the british colonial expansion into the west coast of canada, the interior of east africa and south australia


but on the topic, of how the ACW works
which states if any, have to be in the CSA everytime?
or is it all fluid

Russia's rise to true power.. That is what the game is all about! :D

Quit talking nonsense, all of you, the game is about Germany and its unification :mad:








:p
 
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