Do we have a Flop on our hands??

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I guess I have to come down on the side of the "patch, fixes, and mods will come" crowd. I do think this has great potential and will eventually live up to its promise.

But say what you will about hoi2 or other titles - at least you had STALINGRAD in the right place. (Not talking about some little province in Upper Volta being somewhat off. No - STALINGRAD. Where a battle occurred that people will remember for as long as humanity exists.)

Oh yeah, and at least you COULD play hoi2 on a new computer. I just got top of line one 2 months ago and hoi3 just CRAWLS at highest speed.

This is just not good business practices. I think if you are software company you want people hot and bothered to buy on first day of your releases.

I know for my part that I am waiting until at least a couple patches before I buy a PI game in the future.

 

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This post i can agree with a 100%. But if you really want to be constructive, then dont dramatize things and keep your cool instead. It helps noone to go around screaming murder, it just antagonizes and makes constructive discussion impossible.

My posts have been constructive. I'm sorry if I can't give a suggestion for every complaint I have. I'm not a programmer. But, by raising concerns and seeing the general opinion of the community we can raise awareness for issues that need to be fixed and Paradox can prioritize them correctly.

I've tried to stay as constructive as possible and it's unfortunate you feel that way about my posts.

Just know that I paid money like you and I really want to play this game, but I can't. Hopefully you'll understand my frustration.

@covertops22

I agree wholeheartedly. As my posts show, I'm supportive of the game and I want it to be successful. I'm not like the posters who you are talking about. I don't trash the game, but I point out flaws because I want to play it ASAP! And I haven't posted one post that proclaims the game dead or worthless. You can look through them all. I'm merely voicing my complaints and concerns with how the game stands. I also recognize that in 6 months the game will be much better and more stable.

 

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Anyway, I share your concerns, but not as rabidly as you mostly because people have already aired it. I'm more pissed at the people proclaiming doom for a game that's pretty damn awesome that hasn't been out for more than a day.

Well said.

 

[fizy45]

Who else bets that this thread will be closed or removed for being critical of Paradox?

There has been a trend for companies on the Internet to censor comments criticizing their products or to only accept positive feedback. The product could be broken, problematic, or outright crap, but anyone pointing out that the Emperor's New Clothes are a sham is a troll.

You are right they close every thread because it says the truth...

 

[Pro]

I really hope so. The main reason I am voicing my concerns so much is because I really love this game. I love the new features. I don't want to go back to HoI2. That is why I want this game to be fixed.

I wouldn't want to go back to HoI2 if I was you. Most of the problems with HoI3 are as bad or almost as bad there. The AI is just as bad at defending itself against invasions, but you usually don't notice because the AI is also terrible at invading. You have countries doing historically impossible invasions but because the AI can't run an invasion they never take more than one province before being killed. and the diplomatic AI is just as stupid, but you don't notice as much because it leans towards not doing things it should do rather than doing things it shouldn't, which doesn't become a problem unless it's one of those games that are ruined by WW2 never happening because something upsets the scripted path and the AI has no idea what to do

 

[Harle]

Paradox isn't a big name developer. Testing games requires enormous amounts of time and resources, two things that a relatively small developer don't have a lot of. Unlike, say, the developers of Halo, they can't expect an enormous amount of sales simply by putting the game out, and so they have to balance testing with the amount of money they can expect to make on launch.

You can be certain that they do their best, because especially among smaller developers(though it's true across the vast majority of developing studios), they really do want to make the best game they can, with the time and money they have. Unfortunately, with a game of such complexity as HoI3, it really is virtually impossible to fully test and have it utterly perfect on launch. That is asking too much, yes.

People keep saying the game was released 'literally unplayable' but I am playing it fine. That is more than I have gotten with a lot of triple-A games that flat out didn't even run on my computer on release. Are there bugs? Yes, but nothing that renders it unplayable.

 

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Paradox isn't a big name developer. Testing games requires enormous amounts of time and resources, two things that a relatively small developer don't have a lot of. Unlike, say, the developers of Halo, they can't expect an enormous amount of sales simply by putting the game out, and so they have to balance testing with the amount of money they can expect to make on launch.

You can be certain that they do their best, because especially among smaller developers(though it's true across the vast majority of developing studios), they really do want to make the best game they can, with the time and money they have. Unfortunately, with a game of such complexity as HoI3, it really is virtually impossible to fully test and have it utterly perfect on launch. That is asking too much, yes.

People keep saying the game was released 'literally unplayable' but I am playing it fine. That is more than I have gotten with a lot of triple-A games that flat out didn't even run on my computer on release. Are there bugs? Yes, but nothing that renders it unplayable.

Please look in the tech support forum. People are getting numerous CTD's and the game is so slow that is becomes unplayable (in 1936 6-8 minutes for 1 month of gameplay).

Trust me. I really wish (just like you) that'd I stop posting here and play the game. You don't know how badly I want to play...

 

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You are right they close every thread because it says the truth...

Nonsense. They close 9 out of 10 threads because 9 out of 10 people start new threads for things that already have their own thread.

 

[MercZ]

Like everyone said already I think anyone who has played a paradox game can learn to expect this. They're a small studio and they can't catch too many issues in beta testing (though I'm not sure how they let the speed issue slip past).

That being said I hadn't pre-ordered the game nor bought it for that reason and am waiting for a few patches to come out. Barring the main issues which I've read so far- that being game speed, certain AI issues, and event chains getting broken, I don't think the game itself is entirely broken. Paradox has at least shown itself willing to address issues and I hope they continue that here.

So I wouldn't say it's a flop, just a rough entrance. However those defending paradox must understand why some people are unsatisfied with the state of the product. Hopefully after the first few weeks we should have the whiners and trolls slowly filter out and the real issues can begin to be addressed.

 

[Panncakemouse]

Come on guys.
All new products are buggy to start with. It goes for games as well as ... hm ... remember the first release of windows XP?

The same goes for cars (have you EVER heard about a car manufacturer that has never needed to recall X thousands of delivered car because of a potentially lethal deficiency?), Actually, I have seen houses, bridges, boats and fighter jets with some minor errors in the first version.

Not to say that HoI III is perfect (yet) but its not THAT bad.
If it is - play chess. Ultimate strategy game, tested for ages. Bug free.

 

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Come on guys
All new products are buggy to start with. It goes for games as well as ... hm ... remember the first release of windows XP?

The same goes for cars (have you EVER heard about a car manufacturer that has never needed to recall X thousands of delivered car because of a potentially lethal deficiency?), Actually, I have seen houses, bridges, boats and fighter jets with some minor errors in the first version.

Not to say that HoI III is perfect (yet) but its not THAT bad.
If it is - play chess. Ultimate strategy game, tested for ages. Bug free.

I don't see many (if any) people saying the game should be bug free or that they expected it to be. I also don't see people complaining about minor bugs (that much at least).

You said "minor errors." What myself and others are stating are none short of errors that either A) break the game or B) render it practically unplayable because it runs so slow.

I guess technically it is playable in the sense that it loads up and runs, but I don't want to wait 2-3 hours of real life time just to get from 36-38.

 

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I'm sorry but these issues should of been caught during beta testing. IE the lag.

 

[Minarchist]

You got this game on the day of its launch, and you're expecting a finely tuned game? That seems reasonable if the game were made by a developer who did not readily patch their games, but Paradox does that.

As I'm sure everyone has noticed, HOI3 is an extremely complex game with innumerable moving parts, and I seriously doubt that any amount of beta testing could iron out all of the bugs and balancing issues that come with a game of this complexity.

And to be serious, what Paradox game was really playable on the day of release? On the day EUIII came out, I played it for a couple of hours, put it back on the shelf, and continued my modded EUII game. In time, Paradox patched the game, expansions came out, and mods were developed that made EUIII something that I go back to again and again (see Magna Mundi Platinum 2).

The same was true with Victoria and HOI2, and I expect the exact same thing to happen with HOI3. Complain now, but you will get your money's worth a million times over if you just be patient and let them iron out the problems.

So please--instead of wildly complaining here, report your bugs and balancing issues and give the team some time to work. You'll save yourself some time and Paradox some bandwidth. If you're still dissatisfied once they are done patching the game, then that is the time to make this kind of thread--not less than 24 hours after the release.

 

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My posts have been constructive. I'm sorry if I can't give a suggestion for every complaint I have. I'm not a programmer. But, by raising concerns and seeing the general opinion of the community we can raise awareness for issues that need to be fixed and Paradox can prioritize them correctly.

I've tried to stay as constructive as possible and it's unfortunate you feel that way about my posts.

Just know that I paid money like you and I really want to play this game, but I can't. Hopefully you'll understand my frustration.

Well, I dont want to make it a love-fest, but of course i understand that (even though i can still enjoy the good parts, i guess im lucky for that ).

But dont you agree that the sensible voices arent exactly in the majority right now ? Thats what i was referring to in my posts, not the people who voice genuine concern in a polite and reasonable manner.

 

[Zalder]

I'm fine with having a quite bugged game at the start that will be later corrected with patches, but I fear it will only be corrected with expansions (as right now the game is very unbalanced and misses many features). I sure hope we get a patch 1.2 as soon as possible that will fix most of these issues, but I wouldn't count on that.

 

[Regnor Vex]

I know its a completely different genre, but WoW was such a success partly because it nailed the right level of entertainment for typical MMO gamers, but largely because it was feature complete, almost bug free and very robust from the day of launch.

Using WoW as a comparison tells me more about your expectations than it does about this game. The one thing I do agree with in your post is that Paradox definitely is NOT that kind of developer.

 

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I'm fine with having a quite bugged game at the start that will be later corrected with patches, but I fear it will only be corrected with expansions (as right now the game is very unbalanced and misses many features). I sure hope we get a patch 1.2 as soon as possible that will fix most of these issues, but I wouldn't count on that.

I don't agree. I really expect PI to make HoI3 playable before releasing expansions. And I really don't think that the expansions that they eventually will be releasing are features that should have been in the original release (like the auto sliders, etc). Paradox just isn't that kind of a developer.

 

[Augustus244]

Well I certainly hope you didn't fork over $59.99 for ETW then either... :rofl:

I did, and I'm still crying about that. This is game just needs to get faster and few minor fixes. Not like E:TW which might be finally be fixed a few years from now.

 

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with germany a day goes by in 12 sec at highest speed, means 6 min. A month and for a year, well, do the math ... And i don't own an uber pc, but a rather slow quadcore (@2,33 ghz).

No complains about game speed from my side.

Pretty much the same for me, no problem at all, except if you were going to turbo through the first years like with HOI2. The upside to that is that it's pretty much the same speed when WWII starts.

The game is far from "unplayable". My copy of Doomsday was buggier than this when it was released.

 

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+1

ONCE AGAIN, at least be respectful of those who do have these problems.

Sheesh, some of you guys act like that since you don't have a problem with the game then it doesn't exist for anybody...