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Well this is the nature of YouTube and youtubers. It’s about likes and followers. There would not be much point posting a video about Poland where you get bad RNG and make bad decisions and get ROLF stomped by the Ottos in the first twenty years. ( exactly what happened to me when I first tried to copy this video ).

He publishes the save games on his website so he makes them available. This is why I don’t think he cheats but maybe save scums.

I watch a lot of his videos as it gives me ideas for new games and how to play them. I got a great Brandenburg game out of it and he knows the mechanics and how to use them very well.
But I will agree he should probably be a bit more forthright in his videos about how likely it or difficult these strategies are to succeed.
 
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Does it matter? It's not like they're going to claim some sort of world record.
I think it depends on the goal of the video. If it’s just for entertainment, then it shouldn’t matter. If it’s a guide for a specific tag, then it definitely matters. A guide with hidden cheats can be very frustrating for players who follow it. It can be very frustrating for newer players who don’t have a strong grasp of the mechanics.
 
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Yes that’s probably it. It’s not console cheating as you can clearly see achievements are enabled.
Although it’s also edited so he could be copy/paste save scumming. Only he can know. I do like his videos though and he is a good player.
OP is right though in that he does talk like what he’s doing is straight forward and anyone can do it but it’s extremely RNG dependent.
there are ways to use console in iron man tbh. His skill made also a huge jump forward, he is now better than me ( I have 4000 hours most achvievments 90% or so), where before he was way worse. If florry did something like that it would be plausable, but he savcescumms, restarst until he has the result, he doesnt show how he made it, which makes it hard to believe him. For beginners I recommentd radio res, he has good guides to understand. For advanced players budget monk, especially his hre, poland, hungarian and byzantium runs. People also save scu, I do it too, when I get attacked because my alliances had 4000 in debts, or the 6 6 6 heir dies stuff like that not all the time but otherwise u can loose 40 Years of build up witch would just suck.
 
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it matters if what's being shown doesn't represent 'normal' gameplay. if that's the case it should be made explicit so as not to mislead people
From what I've seen so far, restarting over and over again and save scumming is exactly what's "normal" for Ironman, so I don't see the issue.
(not talking about console commands obviously)
 
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And keep in mind, for most YouTuber gamers, the entire point is making money. For many, it is their sole income which can generate five figure incomes PER MONTH for the very successful. I know some (for EU, for other games) truly are trying to show strategies and tips, and I have watched many for the games I play. I watched the guy you all are discussing for my current France start. But, at the end of the day, they want people to subscribe, watch and comment because that is how YT determines their success, and therefore the paycheck. The real question to ask is “if YT ceased paying any money, would these videos be made.” For some, the answer is yes, for others I really doubt it. So, at the end of the day, it’s about entertainment. Not complaining, just making sure I have my mind correctly set as I watch, that I am not watching someone with purely altruistic motives.
 
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Well maybe Ludi is to EU IV youtubers what WWE wrestlers are to Greco-Roman wrestlers : very entertaining and they don't steal their money.
 
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I'm not sure which thing astonishes me more:

1) That there are people willing to devote the time and effort to fabricate EU4 videos for youtube.

2) That there are people willing to devote the time and effort to sniff out and expose fabricated EU4 videos on youtube.

I mean would it surprise you if I told you they made money off it and it's the difference between working for 40 hours and working for 4 hours for the same pay?

It's especially not surprising to me for Ludi in particular considering all the accusations of him plagiarizing other youtubers' (alzHD) videos to get his channel started.

If you want real guides on how to play tough starts I suggest Florryworry's Twitch. The man is a beast and he actually shows you what is possible in your current situation rather than an ideal one.
 
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I followed some of his starts and they're clearly not unreasonable or unrealistic if you push the boundaries of AE/mercing up. Like, not at all. And just looking at the way he plays I realize he's playing more meticulously/skillfully than I did in some of my runs.

I see these videos less as guides to follow and more as inspiration for people that has above-average tier of gameplay already, and entertainment for the rest of us.
 
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I followed some of his starts and they're clearly not unreasonable or unrealistic if you push the boundaries of AE/mercing up. Like, not at all. And just looking at the way he plays I realize he's playing more meticulously/skillfully than I did in some of my runs.

I see these videos less as guides to follow and more as inspiration for people that has above-average tier of gameplay already, and entertainment for the rest of us.

Same for me. His Austria video really opened my eyes. Many small things that add up greatly.
 

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Not sure why it’s worth making threads about streamers you don’t like. A how-to tutorial should begin from a realistic, replicable starting point. I find any guide that requires continual restarts until 3+ factors break your way to be something that will be difficult to replicate, and thus less useful. If a streamer’s how-to video cannot be replicated, then they’re no longer really making how-to videos, and you should just stop using them for that purpose - find another streamer whose advice is more generally-applicable and doesn’t depend on one-in-a-thousand odds to be successful.
 
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You can literally enable the achievement button through the console these days. In addition multiple mods and editing software that could do the same.

Regarding Ludi it's almost assured that he's cheating. Too many inconsistencies in his videos (there's a yt video out there explaining one case, but there are many other cases that seemed very odd).

In addition while he's a solid player he's not good enough to do everything he does without cheats, you can see a fairly clear differences between him and some of the 'best' wc/sp players when you compare their gameplay.

Thank you !!!!!!!!! Getting more and more irate reading this thread. The guy is clearly full of shit! He’s 100% not playing on iron man that coupled with his ridiculous luck and unbelievable rng he’s 100% cheating.

To the person who said rng sometimes works against him if it does its like the tiniest silliest thing that’s almost always immediately overcome-able. Never anything that properly de rails him.

his videos are hilarious bs and could be used to fertilize fields....
 
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I enjoy Ludi's videos and find them helpful.

Overall, I think the most important thing to keep in mind is that a good EU4 Youtube guide video has to be both informative and entertaining.

I have seen some very entertaining videos that are not particularly helpful. They are intended to be pure entertainment and while you could get some tips or inspiration, that's not really why you watch them. An example of this would be many of the videos of the "Social Streamers." I like their videos a lot, btw. One I saw recently was essentially a rant about why Enrique Trastamara is a trash simulated human being.

On the other end of the spectrum you have the purely informative videos, while these are extremely informative -- and often give you click-by-click guidance -- they are not always very entertaining. There is a guy who has a channel called "Vicktor Vildras" that has really, really solid strategy guides. I also like his videos, but they are not maximum entertainment. He had a really good Byzantium Opener based on the Budget Monk strategy.

Ludi's videos are trying for that sweet spot -- good entertainment value and good information. Other really good EU4 youtubers are: Habibbi (mostly MP), Red Hawk (Openers), BudgetMonk (Grand Streams) and Reman (Mechanics, but I'm not sure he makes videos anymore, at least not on youtube).

Back to Ludi.

He's pretty open about editing and jumping forward in time. I suspect that in the specific example of the Manchu campaign is that he put two different campaigns together in his video. This could have been on purpose to be deceptive, but why?

He wasn't submitting the save-file for some kind of speed run record. I took the video for just showing off what one could do as Manchu. Personally, I think it is more likely that he made a mistake when editing together the many Manchu save files he has.

I could be wrong, but I don't think that even the people who raised some issues with Ludi's videos are saying that what he did is flat out necessarily impossible without console commands, but instead saying that what he did is impossible given where one clip ended and a what later clip showed. Specifically, he ended a war and took some specific provinces, but in a later clip it appeared like he annexed the entire nation.

Let he who hath not save-scummed, click the dislike button....

The guy is legitimately a good player -- much better than I am. He's also more entertaining that a lot of his competition. Just take his videos for what they are: He makes jokes about your lack of girlfriends while playing EU4 in a fake Scottish accent while saying fake German phrases like "Stacken-Wipen." You also get some good tips, strategy ideas and sometimes an explanation of mechanics.
Speak for yourself. I detest “entertaining” YouTube videos that are trying to convey any info at all. Much rather have some autist with a spreadsheet tell me what I need to know then watch actually funny content creators rather than pastiched crap being repeated - Ludi makes me cringe
 
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It’s not console cheating as you can clearly see achievements are enabled.

  • 1.31 added the "debug_achievements" command which activates the achievement icon in normal, non-ironman playthroughs making it look like you are playing Ironman while being able to use the console.
  • Just after the introduction of this command Ludis "skill" made a huge jump upwards and he started playing "Ironman"
 
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Speak for yourself. I detest “entertaining” YouTube videos that are trying to convey any info at all. Much rather have some autist with a spreadsheet tell me what I need to know then watch actually funny content creators rather than pastiched crap being repeated - Ludi makes me cringe
He is already. He clearly states it's his opinion...
 
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He is already. He clearly states it's his opinion...
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Not really....? First statement. His. Second statement. Generalizing our opinions.
 

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For me the most annoying EU4 youtuber has become the Social Streamers. They are mediocre at the game, mostly because they play at speed 5 and most of the attention goes to the AI having the most ridiculous games. I'm quite sure they don't even cheat with their own nation, but I'm quite certain they buff AI nation's to create interesting games.
 
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For many, it is their sole income which can generate five figure incomes PER MONTH for the very successful.
To add a dose of reality, in case anyone was thinking about dropping out of school:

This can happen, to a select few, in some extremely popular games such as Valorant or Overwatch.

It does not happen in EU4.
 
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