Do pagans still convert to other religions?

[jere8184]

i have noticed that in my games pagans never seem to convert to Christianity. when i try to send a priest to a pagn ruler he is usually imprisoned after a few days and if he is succesful and allowed to stay in the pagans lands the same event continues to fire until my priest is eventually imprisoned. am i the only one experiencing this

 

[TheDonAJ]

I think the best pagan rulers to go for are the ones with the cynical or arbitrary traits, although it might take a while before the ruler or his courtiers begin to convert. Alternatively, if you have a lot of money, you can buy a favour from the ruler, and use it to educate his heir, making him your religion.

 

[Moarice]

If you play long enough, they all eventually convert. But I play with CK2+/HIP, so maybe that was a vanilla issue that was fixed in them.

By the way, is it just me or do Baltic/Finno-ugric culture characters never want to convert by any means other than force?

 

[CannotresistDLC]

I haven't tried to convert foreign rulers myself in a while but I've definitely seen lots of pagans convert to other religions in 2.5.2, Christianity included.

 

[jere8184]

If you play long enough, they all eventually convert. But I play with CK2+/HIP, so maybe that was a vanilla issue that was fixed in them.

By the way, is it just me or do Baltic/Finno-ugric culture characters never want to convert by any means other than force?

yeh i sent my priest to Baltic realms and he was imprisoned straight up 100% of the time

 

[Dakilla TM]

If you play long enough, they all eventually convert. But I play with CK2+/HIP, so maybe that was a vanilla issue that was fixed in them.

By the way, is it just me or do Baltic/Finno-ugric culture characters never want to convert by any means other than force?

I've never seen the Baltic area peacefully accept a non pagan religion. It's always either me or the AI having to holy war the place to oblivion.

And to OP, it's about the ruler's traits and some luck, along with the learning skill of your missionary. If the pagan ruler is zealous, then your guy will probably get imprisoned. I've even send missionaries to pagans who have a very positive view of me, +50 and more, and still get rejected.

For the best chance, make sure your missionary has a learning skill of at least 20. This plus a non zealous pagan means you'll have a good chance at converting.

 

[jere8184]

I've never seen the Baltic area peacefully accept a non pagan religion. It's always either me or the AI having to holy war the place to oblivion.

And to OP, it's about the ruler's traits and some luck, along with the learning skill of your missionary. If the pagan ruler is zealous, then your guy will probably get imprisoned. I've even send missionaries to pagans who have a very positive view of me, +50 and more, and still get rejected.

For the best chance, make sure your missionary has a learning skill of at least 20. This plus a non zealous pagan means you'll have a good chance at converting.

yeh sometimes my priest is allowed to stay but then the event keeps on firing until he is imprisoned does this happen for you

 

[StarSword]

They definitely do. In my 769 Ilmen game I had Tengri Khazaria turn Sunni first, then the Reformed Slavic Kievans ruling Pannonia went Catholic, bastards.

 

[SovereignGrave]

If you play long enough, they all eventually convert. But I play with CK2+/HIP, so maybe that was a vanilla issue that was fixed in them.

By the way, is it just me or do Baltic/Finno-ugric culture characters never want to convert by any means other than force?

I believe the code actually explicitly makes them far less likely to accept proselytizers than other religions, to sort of represent how long they actually managed to stay pagan compared to the rest of Europe.

 

[Patroclusmega]

I converted the pagane sultanate of Mali in few months My ecclesiarch had 18 of learning, good trait and the Sultan had sympathy for Christendom and arbitrary

 

[Dakilla TM]

yeh sometimes my priest is allowed to stay but then the event keeps on firing until he is imprisoned does this happen for you

It has, and again, it's pretty much all luck, even if the pagan accepts your missionary. Just hope for the best!

 

[Patroclusmega]

in, it's pretty much all luck,

Ehm no, It's almost totally predictable if he will be imprisoned. The real problem is what happen when your Ecclesiarch will convert one of the courtier. If that courtier is the ruler, well no problem mission succesful, if it is another well it is a little question of lucky.

 

[Dakilla TM]

Ehm no, It's almost totally predictable if he will be imprisoned. The real problem is what happen when your Ecclesiarch will convert one of the courtier. If that courtier is the ruler, well no problem mission succesful, if it is another well it is a little question of lucky.

From my experience, I've had learning level 20 + priests get rejected and imprisoned while a level 7 cynical detached priest imbecile convert an entire kingdom. Sooooooo

 

[Patroclusmega]

From my experience, I've had learning level 20 + priests get rejected and imprisoned while a level 7 cynical detached priest imbecile convert an entire kingdom. Sooooooo

The learning of priest serve only for the relative speed of conversion(or better, for the likely of the event to fire). As also the Wiki say the important modifier are the situation of pagan ruler. Here all directly from the Wiki:

More likely:

• Sympathy for preacher's religion
• Cynical
  
• Arbitrary
  
• 50+ opinion of spouse/concubine/lover/child of the religion
• Realm stability factors:
  • Any realm province has the missionary's religion
  • All realm provinces have the missionary's religion
  • My vassals all love me (25+), this is a good time to convert
• Warfare factors:
  • Primary defender in any crusade or holy war
  • Powerful neighbor of that religion (twice as powerful)
• Pragmatism factors:
  • Already adopting civilized ways: government is not nomadic or tribal
  • Powerful rulers want a modern religion: king with 12 realm holdings
  • Need it to reform government: meets tribal organization and capital holding requirements to adopt feudalism or found a merchant republic

Less likely:

• Zealous
  
• Primary attacker in holy war or viking invasion
• Historically stubborn culture: saxon, baltic, or finno_urgic
• Likes alcohol: east slavic or north germanic, with Muslim missionary
• Religion doing well: 65% moral authority, or 40% MA and our realm contains 3 holy sites
• Homeland attrition is effective: not tengri or aztec; no neighboring realm is an organized religion and has a province with military organization 4

 

[Lord_P]

There is also the "historical factor" for converting pagans. If I recall, it goes something like this:

• Norse cultures are more likely to convert to Catholic
• Russian culture is more likely to convert to Orthodox
• Both Norse and Russian cultures are less likely to convert to Islam
• Turkic cultures are more likely to convert to Islam (I'm not entirely sure on this one)
• Baltic cultures will usually decline all attempts at conversion

Also, I think conversions are more likely to happen after the year 950.

 

[Helios Panoptes]

IIRC, don't all pagans refuse to convert before like 900 or so?

 

[Lord_P]

IIRC, don't all pagans refuse to convert before like 900 or so?

Not always, necessarily.

 

[CannotresistDLC]

IIRC, don't all pagans refuse to convert before like 900 or so?

Not always, necessarily.

Simply less likely. Look at the factors from the wiki - even ignoring the bonus to conversion after a certain date (whatever that maybe be), the other factors in converting pagans will generally take some time to build up.

 

[jere8184]

am i the only one who has the event fire multiple times until my priest is imprisoned