Do not spoil your first game !

unmerged(2928) · Oct 29, 2003

I just wanted to share this thought.

We all know what this game is about, we know what to expect from it, most of us have played EUII .

One thing we will discover once we start playing the game, are the exact mathematical consequences of our decisions. Once you know the exact consequences to expect form a decision we have spoiled an important aspect of the game. Alas, this is inevitable.

What I want to stress is the non replicable experience of the first game. The first game we will all play in Victoria is the only one where we will really play RPG. Where you might take simply stupid decisions (and history is full of examples) not because you are RPG'ing but because you did not know better. Where the degree of consciousness on the decisions we take will be very approximate. Where overestimation or underestimation of a certain situation will happen "naturally".

Once we start to get into the Tips and Tricks of the game and start to memorize the exact mathematical relations between two elements/aspects of the game we will play "different" kind of games. This process is unfortunatly not reversible.

So my advice to everyone is read only the interface explanation part of the manual and plunge into the game and appreciate every single moment of your first game.

Keep up the good work Paradox I am very enthusiast about Victoria.

unmerged(2377) · Oct 29, 2003

I'm gonna do my traditional WC with France.

unmerged(16099) · Oct 29, 2003

I plan to play a powerful country for my first game. I figure it will be the most challenging time to do so since my skills will be at their weakest.

(Edit: Also keep you eyes off that event list!)

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unmerged(7197) · Oct 29, 2003

One thing for sure, I wont repeat HoI mistake.

I mean, I was late on EU2, I play my first game with 1.03 and it was great.

With HoI, I had it from start, by the time 1.05 was out, I was sick n tired of the buggy game

So this time, I'll be patient and wait

unmerged(14562) · Oct 29, 2003

The first game is always the best!!!!

unmerged(19226) · Oct 29, 2003

My first game will be as Austria or as Spain, both great catholic states of this period

By the way how I play always dependes on as which state I play. I hate all "gold" and "great" rules for ALL players

Ulyanov · Oct 29, 2003

Originally posted by dark_andrew
The first game is always the best!!!!

I couldn't disagree more

unmerged(2928) · Oct 29, 2003

Why would you say that ?

BiggN · Oct 29, 2003

Did any of you read what this guy said?

Unfortunatly, I spoil my games in another way.
I play, make a mistake, start a new game and try not to make the same mistake again.
Rather than suffer from my actions I expect perfection and thats what makes me continue to play games years later... seeking perfection.

This time, i'm going to do my hardest to try and deal with my mistakes and move on in game without restarting... ho-hum

-BiggN

Ulyanov · Oct 29, 2003

Because I like to know why things happen when I make a certain move. Now that I know very much about EU2, I have much more joy from the game than before. I know how to read the files in the EU2-folder, and I don't get frustrated when "unexpected things happen". I remember always being angry that I almost couldn't recruit troops at all in Livland at all when I was Russia in one of my first games. Then, one day, I realized that having a National Province shield meant a great deal. Later I also discovered that manpower had nothing to do with the base taxvalue in a province. Before I knew all this I got rather frustrated at times, because I couldn't figure out why the game was being what I looked at as not "following its own rules". This counts for far more aspects of the game than just the recruiting troops-thing.

unmerged(14180) · Oct 29, 2003

I still remember my first game in EU1, wow that was something...

I was England, and when i first loaded up the game, i was sitting there picking England, getting ready to use my might and power, and stomp over all i encountered!

I knew nothing of the history of those times.....my history forte largely stretches to the vic period and up, and this actually made the game more fun.....

I was shocked seeing that France was much more powerful than myself. They obviously wanted my Calais, and had those damn Scots in the North on their side.....needless to say, the next 50 years was a blur of Action and reaction to the powerful French State.....In other words, i made a tonne of mistakes, but absolutely loved the game! I didn't end up winning, Spain ran away with it in the end, but i was in the top 3.....

I totally agree, the first game is full of magic, and should be enjoyed, in both loss and defeat....stick it out and u will come back.

unmerged(2928) · Oct 29, 2003

Unfortunatly, I spoil my games in another way.
I play, make a mistake, start a new game and try not to make the same mistake again.
Rather than suffer from my actions I expect perfection and thats what makes me continue to play games years later... seeking perfection.

Yes redeem yourself from your sins...

Ulyanov · Oct 29, 2003

Originally posted by BiggN

I play, make a mistake, start a new game and try not to make the same mistake again.
Rather than suffer from my actions I expect perfection and thats what makes me continue to play games years later... seeking perfection.

Yep, I must agree to that. I tend to always "give up" when the inflation goes up as a consequense of a long war I cannot afford to loose. I sometimes wonder if i can afford to win it too

But now I get very much fun out of "research" in leader stats, monarchs, events, and so on. That is 50% of the game, multitasking at high levels when I play

I'm currently playing through a game to check the forecoming strategy-guide I'm going to write for the country I'm playing. That is really fun!

unmerged(2928) · Oct 29, 2003

Originally posted by Ulyanov
Because I like to know why things happen when I make a certain move. Now that I know very much about EU2, I have much more joy from the game than before. I know how to read the files in the EU2-folder, and I don't get frustrated when "unexpected things happen". I remember always being angry that I almost couldn't recruit troops at all in Livland at all when I was Russia in one of my first games. Then, one day, I realized that having a National Province shield meant a great deal. Later I also discovered that manpower had nothing to do with the base taxvalue in a province. Before I knew all this I got rather frustrated at times, because I couldn't figure out why the game was being what I looked at as not "following its own rules". This counts for far more aspects of the game than just the recruiting troops-thing.

I know what you mean but remeber you can always do that after your first games where you do not analyze all the mathematical consequences of your actions, do not use the save 'n load.

The first game is unique.

Ulyanov · Oct 29, 2003

Originally posted by Nice
I know what you mean but remeber you can always do that after your first games where you do not analyze all the mathematical consequences of your actions, do not use the save 'n load.

Yes, I know. I have nothing to comment on that. But my personal opinion is that i like the analyzing-games better than the first game, which you call "unique"

Hakkapeliitta · Oct 29, 2003

Originally posted by Nice
I know what you mean but remeber you can always do that after your first games where you do not analyze all the mathematical consequences of your actions, do not use the save 'n load.

The first game is unique.

I agree about the save & load part. Loading again after a defeat etc. is the surest way to ruin a good game for it puts the AI at complete disadvantage.

As for the uniqueness of the first game yes it is unique, but immediately when I start playing (actually before that) I start to analyze and speculate what happened after an action, what the consequences were. This process is imbedded in the brain and can't be helped.

Actually I'd compare playing EU2 (or Victoria) to having sex. First time is certainly really exciting but the best part about playing (and having sex) is that it only gets better with practise.

Chaingun · Oct 29, 2003

I agree.

I remember my first game in EU2, playing on Easy difficulty in the Age of Merchantilism scenario. Wow, I played until 04.00 AM before I went to bed. Although I hadn't really done that many years, because I didn't know there was an option to increase the speed of the game at that time

. I managed to conquer all of Sweden's historical holdings, and I was proud over my achievement.

Still, the next day after, I started a new game with increased difficulty. Worth to mention is that game wasn't as fun as the first one, and I think no other game in EU2 has been since then.

Ulyanov · Oct 29, 2003

Originally posted by Chaingun
Wow, I played until 04.00 AM before I went to bed.

This is me every night....

...except for the nights when I'm not making it to bed until 7 in the morning.

PMLF · Oct 29, 2003

If you not read the manual it may help you to reduce the chances of spoiling the game, supposing the manual is good anyway.

Styrbiorn · Oct 29, 2003

Manuals are overrated, a large part of the fun is to figure out how the thing works. Or maybe that's just me.

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