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Ok. So for almost three months people craved for a preorder. "Why no preorder?", "Paradox, preorder plz!" "Preorder or I will shoot my infant son!". And now that paradox actually released a preorder-possibility, people start moaning about the fact that they did release a preorder? Brave. New. World.
You're missing their point (not that I side with their position in this instance). If PDS had merely released pre-order but without any bonus whatsoever, not many would complain. It's the bait of pre-order bonus/exclusives and the pricing that riled them up.
 
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01_PREORDER_CONFIRM

I have literally never played a game from PDS that I didn't like, and I've already seen 8 hours of unscripted, unedited footage from the game. Every indication points to this game being stellaris.

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With avoiding preorders it's like being vegan.
Even if you like and enjoy meat, you know it's probably healthier being vegan, and has a whole lot of other benefits, from fighting world hunger with soja fields where cattle used to be to avoiding animal cruelty.

But still don't want to hear about it, if you eat a tasty burger at the moment.
The problem is that when you go to an upscale eatery and accost everyone eating a burger there, you don't know if you're lecturing to self-described carnivores or people who don't eat all that much meat.
 
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I have preordered, based on the fact Paradox has released really solid games with a great degree of replayability, and I have been following Stellaris eagerlymover many months
 
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*Some people are saying my title sounds like a command. It is not supposed to be


I dont really know why I'm making this thread seeing as most of you have probably already made up your minds, but oh well. Please don't preorder video games, it gives developers bad ideas and and makes you risk your money for an unfinished product. Do you really need that new avatar that badly? If you need more information just search for a video on youtube, total biscuit has a good one. Even if you trust paradox, dont change their good rep by encouraging them to use scummy behaviors. I wasn't around when these games released, but if I recall correctly many of paradox's releases are unfinished/buggy?

Edit: No, I am not telling you what to do with your money

how is giving players the chance to preorder scummy? you don't have to pre-order the game, their pre-order system is actually more than fair! they don't give preorders any content you won't be able to buy after release, ONLY the forum avatar is preorder only! also if you preorder now and within 2 weeks after release and within 2 hours of playtime you can get a refund....see no harm here.

show me a game which hasn't bugs on release...heck show me a game which is completel bug free!!!
 
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I...partly agree.
I have GTA series, when GTAV came out, I pre-order it without a think, because every player who love GTA know that "how could R* go wrong"
Then talk about Assassin Creed. Well, it is good game. But I always decide if I should buy a new AC until player's preview come out. For the reason of....Ubisoft.
Paradox,being frankly, always throw me a crap every CK2 new major expansion:mad:. But they are listening to community and push the new patch make game better:D.So I know it's worthwhile to buy every expansion or pre order a new game. Stellaris: pre-ordered.HoI4: will pre_order.
BTW retailer don't give me the key yet. I want those icon.

Also, I foresee another crap on May 9th,and Dev will fix it in a few days,make it a excellent crap game
 
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*Some people are saying my title sounds like a command. It is not supposed to be


I dont really know why I'm making this thread seeing as most of you have probably already made up your minds, but oh well. Please don't preorder video games, it gives developers bad ideas and and makes you risk your money for an unfinished product. Do you really need that new avatar that badly? If you need more information just search for a video on youtube, total biscuit has a good one. Even if you trust paradox, dont change their good rep by encouraging them to use scummy behaviors. I wasn't around when these games released, but if I recall correctly many of paradox's releases are unfinished/buggy?

Edit: No, I am not telling you what to do with your money
I don't like overly dogmatic approaches. Never, ever considering to pre-order is imho just as wrong as pre-ordering the hell out of every game just because cool graphics and marketing and HYPE! There are valid points against pre-ordering - if too many people buy the game long before it is finished there is less motivation to iron out bugs or even actually finish the game. The bazillion of early access games on steam on the one hand and the many, many AAA-title that are still in beta-shape (or worse) at release are a testimony to that.

On the other hand, and that is what makes me and many other people (call us fanboys if you must) buy games before release (be it early access or pre-order), I am extremely thankfull for every game that is not a mainstream-clone of call-of-grand-assassins-battlefield-creed-auto-younameit (which doesn't mean I don't like a good AAA-title). Unfortunately I am sometimes rather choicy about games and so I like to support companies who dare to create niche-games. As the word 'niche' implies, these companies usually have less resources than others. And so, if I can support them by pre-ordering, I am happy with that if I know the company to deliver on their promises.
 
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I have already bought the full preorder pack. From what I can tell, Paradox has earned my money, and nothing - not even bad reviews - can dissuade me. I've never played a Paradox game that I haven't loved, even if I can't understand it, and Stellaris is an original and beautiful looking game (mechanically, thematically, and yes, graphically). I'm proud to support Glorious Paradox Studios with my preorder.


Glory Glory Paradox Studios.
Paradox can into space.
 
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The problem is that when you go to an upscale eatery and accost everyone eating a burger there, you don't know if you're lecturing to self-described carnivores or people who don't eat all that much meat.

Yes, but it begs the question, to who to lecture is more effective anyway. People who don't eat that much meat don't see themselves as the problem, while self described carnivores don't care what some stuck up hippie thinks of them. (still talking thinly veiled about pre-orders)

If you blunder into a forum of the hardcorest medal-of-duty-preorder-everything-just-gimme-the-game afficionados, you wont get much sympathy for anti preorder preachings either, I guess.


EDIT: The "call-of-grand-assassins-battlefield-creed-auto-younameit-fandom" would have been a good example too.
 

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How I make the decision.

Option 1) Pre-order: $40 = Get the game + Pre-order bonus
Option 2) Buy day 1: $40 = Get the game
Option 3) Buy day 1 + pre-order DLC later: $40 + $x = Get the game + Pre-order bonus

Given that they all have the game for $40, and I will definitely buy the game on day 1, I can simplify the equations to:

1) Pre-order: $0 = Pre-order bonus
2) Buy day 1: $0 = 0
3) Buy day 1 + pre-order DLC later: $x = Pre-order bonus

Option 1 beats Option 3 because I get the same stuff for less. Option 1 beats Option 2 because I get more for the same price.

Of course I will pre-order.

If you are concerned about the quality of the product, then it is completely reasonable to forgo $x of value on a $40 purchase until you are sure that the purchase is definitely worth more than $40. I personally have very little doubt about the quality of the product, as I know what to expect from Paradox.

Should it turn out that they fail to deliver a product worth $40, then there is a steam refund policy that I can use to reverse my decision, resulting in no loss on my end.

To me there is nearly no risk to pre-ordering but an obvious benefit of $x.
 
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Regardless I bought my Pre-Order, this game covers everything I look forward to in a Space Grand Strategy, Paradox deserve the money, and deserve my patience to make it bug free while I enjoy it :)
 
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do you want to know why im going to preorder stellaris?

because we are 6 pages deep in this thread and OP isnt banned yet.

paradox is a company i can trust, the moment that changes ill stop giving them money.
 
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There is way more things happening behind pre-orders. Pre-orders allows the company to gauge the interest and correctly allocate/schedule resources for the post-release support (server load, bug-fixing, dev team overtimes, expansions/dlcs/new features). Moreover, financial success with the game allows dev teams to defend their visual/artistic view of the game. If you are doing things right and get support - it is easier to continue making the right things.

Plus, Paradox plans to go IPO, so successful pre-orders among with successful releast will pump the company's price and standings up. I would guess it will allow to get greater investments!

Which is all great, because Paradox unlike many other companies is doing great niche games with great depth!
 
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Too late :)
 

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The primary reason I pre-ordered is the live streams of the game. When I want to buy a game I don't look at reviews, I look at let's plays to get an impression of the game. It's a bit of a flawed way because I'll mostly just get an impression of the start of the game. In this case I've seen more of the game than I normally do before buying. Second thing is that I had the money and after watching the streams I knew I'd buy it, so I've bought it and then that cost is over and even though I wouldn't be in a situation where I couldn't afford it when it comes out, I kind of like known costs to just be done.

I do find pre-ordering rather silly in the digital distribution age. But them I am quite silly so in this case it works. I'd never pre-order sight unseen though even with Steam refunds being a thing.

I do see that pre-ordering gives game companies a better chance of surviving lauching a broken game, even with Steam refunds it would still mean more sales than if there were no pre-orders. Plus if you've pre-ordered you're kind of invested, so perhaps you'd be more willing to give it a chance after launch to see if they patch the game to a functional state. Where if you haven't yet bought it, you'd look at the updates once in a while to see the state of the game, and perhaps ending up never buying the game. That's what happened with me and the last Batman game.
Pre-ordering is only really a good thing for the game companies, it does nothing really for the gamers. But I don't find it a horrible thing, so long as you do so knowing that sometimes there's a risk, however small it might be.
 
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