Do native OPMs still overdeveloped their land?

[orko2020]

I started a game as Bali before 1.31.1 was released, and got back to it after the hotfix. After doing some exploration around Australia, I discovered that all of the aboriginal OPMs have like 30 development each in their capital! And the year is only like 1510 mind you. This seems kind of unbalanced. Since I started the game before the hotfix, don’t know if this is something that was fixed. Can anybody confirm?

 

[fleetothemoon]

The native high dev is not a bug and is WAD.

This have confused a lot of people. Unsettled tribes can only control one province, but they can 'own' multiple provinces (you can see this from the unshaded provinces with color border). Unsettled tribes have to regularly migrate between different provinces in their domain due to devastation mechanics.

The reason the native OPMs have high dev is because they will have to use their dev to eventually settle the other empty provinces in their domain. Settling another province will reduce their dev.

1.31.1 just fixed the bug where you can pillage native capital without lowering their dev, which can be kinda OP.

See the dev diary:

EU4 - Development Diary - 8th of September 2020

Hey everyone! So there’s been quite a few development diaries from @neondt now on South East Asia telling you about the new content we’ll be adding to it, a region that had gotten a bit missed by us over the years and which very much needed some...

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[JaxElite]

Addint to that, natives actually can't develop in the traditional sense, the buttons are simply unavailable to them.

 

[Afinati]

So there are sprawling metropolises in Oceania and the Americas now ... intentionally?

 

[Sfan]

They are not. That dev is an abstract temporary number: the dev will be split between their provinces, and lost if they don't own enough when they settle. It should probably be displayed in parenthesis or something to avoid confusing people, but that's the least of the concerns of the patch.

 

[Oporto]

Somebody mentioned the difference between the "tribal development" and "standard development" of the province...

 

[Ixal]

Eventually they all reform their government into monarchies and the tribal development goes away.

 

[TeutonicTortoise]

Yeah best off not comparing a Paris dev 40 as being the same as a native prov with 40 since they represent different things

 

[JBolt]

Yeah best off not comparing a Paris dev 40 as being the same as a native prov with 40 since they represent different things

That’s just... stupid though. It doesn’t make sense to make it like that, because then it’s so heavily abstracted that you can’t even use development as a way to compare different provinces. “Everything is relative.” How about no, and making natives have realistic development in comparison to the rest of the world.

 

[FleetingRain]

and lost if they don't own enough when they settle.

What do you mean? If they have only, say, 2 tribal land but 100 Tribal Dev, part of it will be automatically added to the local dev when settling and the rest will be lost? I thought tribal dev could only be settled manually.

 

[Sfan]

They said tribal dev was added to provinces when you settle with a maximum of 10 dev per province (iirc). So if you have one province, and 100 tribal dev, I assume it means 90 dev is lost. It incentivizes expanding your number of tribal provinces.

 

[FleetingRain]

They said tribal dev was added to provinces when you settle with a maximum of 10 dev per province (iirc). So if you have one province, and 100 tribal dev, I assume it means 90 dev is lost. It incentivizes expanding your number of tribal provinces.

Ah, that makes a lot of sense.