Do insults do anything?

[Spidee]

Hi,

I just wonder, do insults do anything? In EUIV they give us a bit power projection and the receiver gets a CB. However I am not sure in Stellaris. I have a game, where I am only threatened by an Awakened empire, I border a Fanatic Purifier, whom I have barely beaten in the early game, but now I keep him alive only because I can't be bothered with wiping him. He insults every so often, even though my fleet is 10x his, I have some 40 planets. it is on 2 and the last 4 wars we had, did not go that well for them.

Thanks.

 

[essi2]

Not as far as I know.

 

[Alblaka]

They give a large penality to relations, possibly provoking an empire into rivalling you, which, I suppose, could be exploited to form alliances with their enemies.
And occasionally you can use them to provoke an empire into attacking you (for whatever reason that might be useful).

Past that, they're pretty hilarious and good for RP and entertainment value.

 

[Saviour of Galaxy]

I use it to provoke big empires to attack me first so that my allies cannot vote down war declaration.

edit: it works the best against fallen empires, who are retarded and often declare wars they cannot win.

 

[Alblaka]

edit: it works the best against fallen empires, who are retarded and often declare wars they cannot win.

I think this is a deliberate issue and less about acting retarded, but about 'We are the dominant empire of our cycle, we cannot back down from any challenge without losing face.' In code, it's called Bravery, which FE's have a very high value of.

I mean, yes, technically you can call it retarded to lose your head over a loss of face, but I would call it lethally idealistic over retarded.

 

[krios41]

And occasionally you can use them to provoke an empire into attacking you (for whatever reason that might be useful).

Except empires don't ever seem to attack me.
I can go up to -450 relation with an empire that's equivalent or superior to me but it won't ever declare war.

 

[extrapancake]

If you are pacifist you can try and bait people into declaring war on you

 

[Saviour of Galaxy]

Except empires don't ever seem to attack me.
I can go up to -450 relation with an empire that's equivalent or superior to me but it won't ever declare war.

check out their AI type. Some of them posses pathetic bravery and will attack you only when beeing much stronger.

 

[krios41]

check their AI type. Some of them posses pathetic bravery and will attack you only when beeing much stronger.

I have this even with an awakend empire.

 

[Saviour of Galaxy]

I have this even with an awakend empire.

Hmmm thats strange. In my experience they are kind of assholes (with exception of interventionists) and like to attack you when your borders are close and have the slightest quarrel against you.

 

[Taritu]

Sticks and stones will break your bones, and lasers will carve up your ships, but words; words can never hurt you!

*sniff*

 

[krios41]

Hmmm thats strange. In my experience they are kind of assholes (with exception of interventionists) and like to attack you when your borders are close and have the slightest quarrel against you.

they have seemingly no problem with fighting AI empires though

 

[Spidee]

They give a large penality to relations, possibly provoking an empire into rivalling you, which, I suppose, could be exploited to form alliances with their enemies.
And occasionally you can use them to provoke an empire into attacking you (for whatever reason that might be useful).

Past that, they're pretty hilarious and good for RP and entertainment value.

Oh, thank you....never played federations, so never occurred to me.
Cheers.

 

[krios41]

DOing a litle testrun

Spoiler

I'm in a defensive pact with the blue empire.
I tried stacking negative ipinion on the purple one

Spoiler

THey're democratic crusaders so their bravery modifier is 1.25
Let's see what happen in the next few years

 

[Saviour of Galaxy]

Good. Report the results or lack of that when done. In 1.4 I did provoked spiritualist FE into suicidal war declaration, lets see if this is also case in 1.5.

 

[stlemur]

I think this is a deliberate issue and less about acting retarded, but about 'We are the dominant empire of our cycle, we cannot back down from any challenge without losing face.' In code, it's called Bravery, which FE's have a very high value of.

I mean, yes, technically you can call it retarded to lose your head over a loss of face, but I would call it lethally idealistic over retarded.

my current game, I had an Awakened FE that was down to 1 planet and no fleet and he kept declaring war on my Federation to reclaim his lost planets...I think it's counting Thralls as allies for force calculation even though the Thralls only get called into the War in Heaven

 

[Alblaka]

my current game, I had an Awakened FE that was down to 1 planet and no fleet and he kept declaring war on my Federation to reclaim his lost planets...I think it's counting Thralls as allies for force calculation even though the Thralls only get called into the War in Heaven

I had a 1-planet FE keep declaring on me WITHOUT any fleet or allies.
It's not that the AI doesn't consider specific elements of alliances, it's that the FE AIs are hardcoded to completely ignore odds and just do it.

 

[krios41]

11 years further, regulary insulting to keep him hating me, he has gone from superior to overwelming.

stil no war. @Saviour of Galaxy

 

[scaper12123]

they're good for goading an opponent into rivalry or war with you.

 

[forfor]

If you have the +33% fire rate in your own borders during defensive wars tradition it could be a very big deal if you can get them to declare war on you.