Do Cities/Bishoprics count as Landed Titles?

[Thrumdi]

I am trying to land most of claimants so I can be ready when the opportunity arises to press them.

However, I'm not clear about what counts as a "landed title" that makes them my vassal.

If I give a city or bishopric to a claimant, does that mean that if I press their claim (provided the title claim is below mine in status) they will become my vassal?

 

[Maui]

Yes.

 

[Danarca]

Furthermore, the pressed claim will have the same government type of the landed title he had before.
So if you give a claimaint to the French throne a bishopric, then press the claim, he will become the King-Bishop of France.

 

[Xiathorn]

I was unaware of the holding type dictating the future title government type.

What if, as King of England, I push a claimant to the French throne, and the claimant had held a city before but not any longer?

I assume if I push the claim with the guy holding a city when I win, the city will pass into France and I'll have to claw it back, but can I set him up with a city, set his type to be Mayor, then revoke and throw him at France?

 

[jordarkelf]

If you give a landed character a new title his current laws transfer over, so if you give a county or higher to a city mayor it will become a republic, and if you give it to a temple bishop it will become a theocracy.

This is how you can create or destroy republics or bishoprics during gameplay.

IF you give a county to someone who is not landed the primary holding of the county determines what his government type will be: if it is a castle it will be feudal, a city will be a republic, a temple will be a theocracy.

Claims do not matter at all. If someone with a city claim becomes a feudal count and then inherits or conquers the city afterwards, the city will be a wrong type of holding for him.

Note that inheriting a higher level tier title will copy that tier's laws (a feudal count inheriting a ducal republic becomes a republic), a lower or same level tier does not.

 

[aniuby]

I learnt this the hard way by pressing my second son's claim on the HRE while he was still in a bishopric. Result - the Holy Roman Theocracy (of Doom). I reloaded and revoked his title first and then things went as planned except for his subsequent deposition and somewhat painful death on the battlefield.

Funnily enough, this doesn't seem to work as I'd expect for my latest weird inheritance scheme. I married my female heir to the heir of Denmark, and I was contemplating giving that prince of Denmark, now in my country, a piece of land so they don't get the fertility penalties from being in my overcrowded court (in whose state something is most certainly rotten). However, both of us have High crown authority. I found that if I gave him a Town, turning him into a Mayor, he still inherited Denmark normally as a noble when I assassinated his dad. Which sort of confused me two ways because he, being landed in a foreign country, was able to inherit at all despite the High crown authority, and that he didn't turn Denmark into a Serene Republic.

I'm just guessing from what I've read above, but I gather that this was able to happen because I specifically did not give him a barony title which would establish him in a foreign country and thus exclude him due to High crown authority, and that inheriting the throne of Denmark turned him back into a regular noble, who now happens to own a town.

 

[Bob_the_Insane]

I was unaware of the holding type dictating the future title government type.

What if, as King of England, I push a claimant to the French throne, and the claimant had held a city before but not any longer?

I assume if I push the claim with the guy holding a city when I win, the city will pass into France and I'll have to claw it back, but can I set him up with a city, set his type to be Mayor, then revoke and throw him at France?

Yeah, that is just asking for trouble. Your "former" vassal will be King of France and rule over your city as well... Unless France was really causing a a problem before it is probably not going to help your cause...

Now if you had made yourself Emperor of Britannia first, then the King of France could end up as your vassal (because you are pressing the claim of a current vassal and the title claimed is a lower level than yours) which would be pretty sweet...

 

[Xiathorn]

Yeah, that is just asking for trouble. Your "former" vassal will be King of France and rule over your city as well... Unless France was really causing a a problem before it is probably not going to help your cause...

Now if you had made yourself Emperor of Britannia first, then the King of France could end up as your vassal (because you are pressing the claim of a current vassal and the title claimed is a lower level than yours) which would be pretty sweet...

Haha, yeah - the actual point was to turn France into this Serene Republic, for hilarity - I wanted them to be all sorts of messed up, but I didn't want to own them myself.

Giving away a city to do it would be though.

And yeah, vassalising the King of France would have been the intent if I had an Empire, but alas. I kinda just wanted to see what would happen - hopefully it would implode on itself.

 

[Kimberly]

Haha, yeah - the actual point was to turn France into this Serene Republic, for hilarity - I wanted them to be all sorts of messed up, but I didn't want to own them myself.

Giving away a city to do it would be though.

And yeah, vassalising the King of France would have been the intent if I had an Empire, but alas. I kinda just wanted to see what would happen - hopefully it would implode on itself.

Is there any part of de jure France not currently owned by the Kingdom of France? You could try and take a county there, then set him up as mayor, hand him the whole county, and then push his claim. France would be a Serene Republic, and you'd just lose the county which was part of France anyway.