Do a sales pitch on a HoI2 player

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it's seems everyone's saying EUIII is the game Paradox concentrates on nowadays...can you EU players tell a HoI2 player like me what's good about the game? An those that has played both...in what ways do they differ and what are some are the pro and cons about both games?

thanks in advance

 

[hjarg]

Well, bigger time frame, more diplomacy and economy options (no Axis, Allies, Commies set). Less focus on battles and military (though that's important as well), more focus on general governing of your nation. Plus, there is half the world waiting for you to explore colonize them.

 

[Deo89]

Eu2 has simply more depth, there are simply more countries to chose than the usual Hoi2 countries, no one knows how the game will end up unlike Hoi2 that will always end up Germany Conquering France, Germany VS USSR etc.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

You can play EU games succesfully as a peacefull nation, by trading, diplomacy, exploring, building colonies/tradeposts and so on. So all tough war is an important factor in the game it is not a 'wargame' like HoI1 and 2 are.

 

[Deo89]

Yeah, the only fun thing in Hoi2 is... moving your troops around

 

[Deo89]

Or to make it more clear

Hoi2 - For Tactical Players ( and warmongers )
Eu2,3 - For Traders, Builders, and Conquerors ( like me)
Victoria - For those who want more and more micromanagment + war!!!

 

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You can play EU games succesfully as a peacefull nation, by trading, diplomacy, exploring, building colonies/tradeposts and so on. So all tough war is an important factor in the game it is not a 'wargame' like HoI1 and 2 are.

In all fairness though, there wasn't too much to do in EU2 in peace time, especially if you didn't play a colonizer. A little more to do than in HoI2 but not all that much.

 

[Flori]

While HoI focusses on the recent history around the 2nd World war EU covers a completely different and longer periode of time. HoI2 gives you a relatively short but hot and intense periode during which you can achive certain goals. In EU your goals may change with passed time and your nation may change from Land oriented to Naval and back to Land or the whole scale of any of the other DP sliders. It is slower paced with regular hot outbursts where wars are declared and most importantly (as opposed to HoI2) peace is made under certain conditions, usually dicated by the victor. Countries may develop, meaning (EU2 examples now) Castille may turn into Spain or Muscowy into Russia, you may become Emperor of the HRE etc...

 

[Lord Ederon]

EU is much more abstracted than HoI series are. Given much bigger timeframe of EU, it is less detailed in general and gives almost unrestricted possibilities as for final outcome. Contrary to EU, HoI focuses on small fragment of time compared to EU (some 40 times smaller than the one of EU), which allows lot more depth and detail for this small period of time. That's also reason why outcome of HoI games are closer to what it was in reality. It is much easier to tailor AI and scenario design to reflect those 10 years. Doing that in EU GC is impossible, or at least substantially harder.

I like HoI2 for it's WWII atmosphere and tactical orientation, better control over warfare. EU2 is great for rewriting history, diplomacy, versatility and atmosphere too, which is completely different from that of HoI2.

 

[FredricBastiat]

Are you talking about eu2 or EU III? The first post says III but everyone else is talking about two. If EuIII is the subject, I must suggest you wait for the game to come out.

 

[Deo89]

I dont think the Idea of EuIII will differ much form EuII

 

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Eu2 has simply more depth, there are simply more countries to chose than the usual Hoi2 countries, no one knows how the game will end up unlike Hoi2 that will always end up Germany Conquering France, Germany VS USSR etc.

more country to choose from? how so?

 

[Lord Ederon]

more country to choose from? how so?

He probably meant countries you can play major role with.

 

[EvilSanta]

I used to love HoI2 but it went to be rather boring.EU2 allows more playing as minors and more ahistorical outcomes.But I put CK above both EU2 and HoI2.

 

[Registered]

more country to choose from? how so?

Since there are only a few large empires yet there simply existed more countries in this period (HRE anyone?).

 

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Since there are only a few large empires yet there simply existed more countries in this period (HRE anyone?).

Dunno, in EU2 there are only countries in Europe, north africa and Asia while in HoI2 there are countries from all over the world. Someone should count

 

[Registered]

Dunno, in EU2 there are only countries in Europe, north africa and Asia while in HoI2 there are countries from all over the world. Someone should count

Sure but since much of the world is British or French this does not really add up. SEA is also much more uniform in HOI2 then in EUII.
The only area where HOI does have more countries is the Americas.

 

[Deo89]

Dunno, in EU2 there are only countries in Europe, north africa and Asia while in HoI2 there are countries from all over the world. Someone should count

South and North America too

What i meant is that you can simply do more with a small 1 province country in Eu2 than lets say Denmark in HoI2

 

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What i meant is that you can simply do more with a small 1 province country in Eu2 than lets say Denmark in HoI2

Yeah but I dont think thats what Registered meant and it was him I responded to

 

[Gebhard Blucher]

I think the best argument for getting EU3 is EU2. You should pick it up. It's an awesome game.