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So my question is, is anyone scared that the game will be full of DLCs just like in EU4 and CK2? Not saying they're bad and I know you don't HAVE to buy them (I sure as hell will).
 
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I am not scared I hope they give us DLC.

I hope that they do a continuous number of Expansions like for EU4 and CK2 to continously improve and expand the game. For me there is good DLC and bad DLC and those Expansions are definitely of the first type.
As for stuff like special Unit graphics that is a bit more controversial but I would not classify those as bad DLC either. Its more like cosmetic DLC same with Music. Its not really required and does not really change any game features so I usually don't buy it and don't miss it. Expansions I will buy all of course.
 
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So my question is, is anyone scared that the game will be full of DLCs just like in EU4 and CK2? Not saying they're bad and I know you don't HAVE to buy them (I sure as hell will).

I do not see how anyone can be "scared" of future DLCs. It's like being scared of chocolate, just don't buy them. Paradox should leave a 1.0 version of the game in the beta tab, and for those that the idea of the game evolving over time is anathema, they should play HoI4 version 1.0.

I invite comparison of CK2 and EU4 to Victoria 2 and HoI3, which had much less DLC. EU4 and CK2 are much richer games because of the post-release DLC sold, which funded continued development.
 
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I do not see how anyone can be "scared" of future DLCs. It's like being scared of chocolate, just don't buy them. Paradox should leave a 1.0 version of the game in the beta tab, and for those that the idea of the game evolving over time is anathema, they should play HoI4 version 1.0.

I invite comparison of CK2 and EU4 to Victoria 2 and HoI3, which had much less DLC. EU4 and CK2 are much richer games because of the post-release DLC sold, which funded continued development.
Well I suppose you're right, no one can be scared of chocolate but what I meant was that some people are scared the game will "have less stuff" so the developers can sell "that missing stuff" in DLCs. I don't agree with this at all seeing how Paradox doesn't really do this; they just add other stuff to an already awesome and completed game.
I was just curious if someone is actually worried of it not becoming a 100% game but a 80% finished game with 20% DLCs.
 
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Well I suppose you're right, no one can be scared of chocolate but what I meant was that some people are scared the game will "have less stuff" so the developers can sell "that missing stuff" in DLCs. I don't agree with this at all seeing how Paradox doesn't really do this; they just add other stuff to an already awesome and completed game.
I was just curious if someone is actually worried of it not becoming a 100% game but a 80% finished game with 20% DLCs.
Thats often true with other studios like CA did that for total war where they intentionally leave some stuff out and give you Sparta only as day one DLC for example or with preordering even though Sparta is a favorite players choice. But so far I think PDX does not do something like removing features or factions to sell them as day one DLC or preorder bonus.
 
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Well I suppose you're right, no one can be scared of chocolate but what I meant was that some people are scared the game will "have less stuff" so the developers can sell "that missing stuff" in DLCs. I don't agree with this at all seeing how Paradox doesn't really do this; they just add other stuff to an already awesome and completed game.
I was just curious if someone is actually worried of it not becoming a 100% game but a 80% finished game with 20% DLCs.

I think that if Paradox were planning to release an incomplete game, this would ruin the reputation they built with CK2 and EU4. And they would've released HoI4 by now.

I bought HoI1 in a box back in 2002 and that game was incomplete. In retrospect it was functionally a beta for HoI2. I think that Paradox has evolved as a company since then. People often don't realize how easy or good they have it compared to their ancestors. In 1924 the United States, the richest country in the world, had the same living standard as Burkina Faso does today.
 
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Oh finally, this thread again. It's been almost a week.

No, I'm not "scared" the game will be supported for a long time with patches and optional additional content. To me that sounds like a good thing.

If CK/EU is anything to go by, the content will be adding to an already complete game, so if you don't like it, don't buy it. Sure, they could have pulled a Matrix Games and released a massive $84 game after years of work, and no DLCs, but I prefer getting to choose for myself what features I want. Plus, with the DLC approach the additional content will be based on far more experience with how the base game plays, with the game, and user feedback.
 

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Not worried one bit - Paradox have mastered the art of "games as a service". Sure not everyone always agrees with some of the new features and/or balance changes that come with their DLCs, but overall, they continually iterate & polish over their games and definitely know how to get us hooked again.