Dixie Capitalists

[Scared Bunny]

I'm not sure whether income from factory production is a capitalists only income, but the Dixie POPs that get promoted to capitalists are very poor indeed since the states they live in have no industry to generate money for them.

It's in the late '40s and it's actually kind of quiet on the home-front. Except for these penniless Dixie capitalists who have now started Anarcho-Liberal revolutionary movements.

It all started when I put my bureaucracy slider way up and my middle class taxes to about 5 percent. Filthy rich Dixie bureacrates and clerks started getting promoted to capitalists. A bad career move, since the lack of industry. Just a couple of days before they run out of money from their cash reserves and start getting rebellious.

Why is it that when deciding on a promotion to a capitalist, the POP doesn't consider the money it will earn when it promotes. It just seems silly to opt for a promotion that will leave you penniless. Never mind all the hassle it gives me for gunning them down in the streets.

 

[OHgamer]

how much does your national bank have, if you have a healthy surplus in the national bank, the bank will provide funds to your capis to help them get off the ground.

Of course, this depends on your POPs being able to have reserves to put in the bank, which they only do after paying taxes and buying all their needs. Low taxes help in this process of capital accumulation by the society.

 

[Minchandre]

how much does your national bank have, if you have a healthy surplus in the national bank, the bank will provide funds to your capis to help them get off the ground.

How does one find how much money is in the national bank? I mean, I noticed that when I went into debt, the Bank of the US was able to cover all of my debts (to the tune of about 7k pounds), but I'm sure there's a more direct way.

 

[OHgamer]

How does one find how much money is in the national bank? I mean, I noticed that when I went into debt, the Bank of the US was able to cover all of my debts (to the tune of about 7k pounds), but I'm sure there's a more direct way.

It is to the left of your total funds listing in the budget window, in the lower left center of the screen



that is the only way I know of to see how much is in the Bank

 

[Darkrenown]

It's on the lower-left on the budget screen.

Edit: Curses, OH!

 

[Scared Bunny]

how much does your national bank have, if you have a healthy surplus in the national bank, the bank will provide funds to your capis to help them get off the ground.

Of course, this depends on your POPs being able to have reserves to put in the bank, which they only do after paying taxes and buying all their needs. Low taxes help in this process of capital accumulation by the society.

I have a fat national bank account with several tens of millions of pounds. I do occasionally see the poor Dixie capitalists adding money to their projects in their states (I was wondering where that came from), but am I right that I also see them withdrawing money from their projects? I've never seen resources being withdrawn, but definitely money. I assume they use the funds to feed themselves. Funny if you think about it, capitalists living on state funds. I guess it also means they never finish their projects.

Another things is that the complete lack of income creates demotions, but since the middle class is so rich the promotions actually outweight the demotions.

What if I taxes the middle class so that they have less promotions. If this helps, it's a bit counter-intuitive. I'd be taxing people for their own good, since if they had their own way they'd financially ruin themselves, and lose all control and start killing people.

 

[Minchandre]

It is to the left of your total funds listing in the budget window, in the lower left center of the screen

that is the only way I know of to see how much is in the Bank

Now I just feel stupid. Thanks, OHG.

Just to make sure, a large National Bank balance probably means my POPs are doing pretty well financially, right? Investment only occurs after luxury goods have been met, yes?

 

[Darkrenown]

Yeah.

 

[Al. I. Cuza]

how much does your national bank have, if you have a healthy surplus in the national bank, the bank will provide funds to your capis to help them get off the ground.

Of course, this depends on your POPs being able to have reserves to put in the bank, which they only do after paying taxes and buying all their needs. Low taxes help in this process of capital accumulation by the society.

Well, in my game the bank had something over 60k Gold but my dixie and afro-american capis were still broke like hell.

 

[jasonxfri13th]

Same here.
500k in the bank and a bunch of Capitalist rebels with no money. (a few thousand Capitalists turning into 15k rebels is pretty funny)

 

[jasonxfri13th]

Hahaha that's what I thought, they must be using all of their money to hire rebels.

So I think this is what happens:
1. Capitalists are created
2. No factories so they make no money
3. Turn into rebels
4. Borrow money from the US bank
5. Pay rebels
6. Run out of money again and repeat

It seems as if funding rebels is more important than food.
Now if only they didn't waste all of their money on rebels...

 

[gamer42_au]

Surely capitalist who make no money should devolve to clerks or bureaucrats rather than rebel. [This might be worse for the player trying to encourage development though]

Which sounds more reasonable?
Sam invests his money in a venture which fails, so he
a) goes back to working a job for a while until he saves up enough to try again.
b) gets bitter, blames the government, grabs his gun and starts shooting.

[Actually, given these were Dixie capitalists, maybe option b is more likely, but in general I would think a should be the norm]

But it does raise a question about bootstrapping - how do the initial capitalists in a state with no factories make enough money to build the first factory so they can make money?

 

[gamer42_au]

Maybe there should be a test, so that middle class pops with a enough money to self-promote should look at relative income per pop of capitalists and aristocrats and go for the one that earns more.
Hence in areas with low tech (and/or rich RGO), buying land (becoming an aristocrat) will be appealing. In areas with high tech and/or poor RGO, investing in manufacturing (becoming a capitalist) will be more attractive.

Put another way, newly wealthy people in the ante-bellum South would aspire to match the local top-dogs by buying a plantation and sipping mint julips, etc. By comparison, the newly wealthy in New England will see the success of the mill owners and invest in their ventures instead.

 

[Scared Bunny]

Surely capitalist who make no money should devolve to clerks or bureaucrats rather than rebel.

I my game they sure do, but since I have the bureaucracy slider to the far right and very low taxes for the middle-class, my bureaucrats are covered in money and promoting like mad. Promoting to become capitalists that is. Promotions far outweight the demotions.

Maybe there should be a test, so that middle class pops with a enough money to self-promote should look at relative income per pop of capitalists and aristocrats and go for the one that earns more.
Hence in areas with low tech (and/or rich RGO), buying land (becoming an aristocrat) will be appealing. In areas with high tech and/or poor RGO, investing in manufacturing (becoming a capitalist) will be more attractive.

Exactly.

 

[zarinth]

Hahaha that's what I thought, they must be using all of their money to hire rebels.

So I think this is what happens:
1. Capitalists are created
2. No factories so they make no money
3. Turn into rebels
4. Borrow money from the US bank
5. Pay rebels
6. Run out of money again and repeat

It seems as if funding rebels is more important than food.
Now if only they didn't waste all of their money on rebels...

Rebels are being paid with MY MONEY???!!!!

Hmmmm must be what happens when your form of government is democrazy!