Divorce/Annulment

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How's this gonna work in the game? What will be the limiting factors as to when/how you can remove a spouse?

No male heirs after X years - annulment o.k. relations with former in-laws -100.

Anything else anyone would like to add?

 

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Removing a spouse should carry severe penalties not only because of worsening the relationship to the wife's family but also since you're trying to rack up "piety" points. I would say you need papal dispensation (if thats the correct term here) as well.

 

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Yeah also, there should be the chance fo pope rejecting ur appeal for annulment, that would worse the relation with everybody. Like Henry VIII for example. How about having no male heir make it more likely to be annulmented but if u have one then u are adulturer! You what I mean?

 

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Henry VIII rejection had little to do with whether he qualified for an anulment, and much mroe to do with the habsburg army sitting in rome. Charles V wasn't gonna let his relative go down like that

 

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True, but still the point is that Pope will not grant the annulment every time the one feel like. Like if He have many male heirs and wife who is faithful, do u think that church would let him annul?

 

[Drakken]

Originally posted by Zhai
True, but still the point is that Pope will not grant the annulment every time the one feel like. Like if He have many male heirs and wife who is faithful, do u think that church would let him annul?

Like Enguerrand de Marigny said : "A Prince is not a husband like every one else." So yes, Princes did ask for annulment when it it didn't served their interests anymore. One way was to claim that the church doors weren't closed at the wedding or that no cousin dispense had been given. Since all princes were all cousins on one branch or another we could divorce half the royal families in Europe.

Oddly enough, adultery wasn't a sufficent reason. It was not allowed by the Canon law to ask for divorce because of extramarital affairs.

Drakken

 

[Secret Master]

However it works, I do think it should cost a pretty penny to annul your relationship.

I say this because it might require buying quite a bit of influence to get your annulment.

 

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Try=ue, also to add tghe lowering of relation with general Europe, maybe -20 because u annulment ur own marriage! Who not have lower regard for u? And low the relation with the country ur ex-wife is from, like how King of Spain reacted when King Henry VIII annulment his own niece? Real drop in relation and give them CB on u.

 

[Idiotboy]

I would like to see this:
No heirs = small penalty
Only female heirs = large penalty
Lots of heirs but unattractive spouse = Holy crusade against you

 

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Putting aside one's wife (divorce is not the right word; divorce was not allowed, per se) should only be allowed if your piety is low. Wives were "put aside" by those who didn't care about official Church teaching.

So your piety must be below a certain maximum, the action should carry some "piety penalty", and your ability to gain piety afterwords should be sharply limited. Additionally, any children resulting from a "second marriage" should also have low piety scores ("gentle blood" was greatly esteemed), and should be eligible to inherit only if the first wife has no surviving children.

 

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Originally posted by crooktooth
Putting aside one's wife (divorce is not the right word; divorce was not allowed, per se) should only be allowed if your piety is low. Wives were "put aside" by those who didn't care about official Church teaching.

So your piety must be below a certain maximum, the action should carry some "piety penalty", and your ability to gain piety afterwords should be sharply limited. Additionally, any children resulting from a "second marriage" should also have low piety scores ("gentle blood" was greatly esteemed), and should be eligible to inherit only if the first wife has no surviving children.

Louis VII put aside his first wife because they had no sons. IIRC it was with the permission of the Pope. Don't think he lost any prestige but only God can tell about the piety points he lost.

 

[Winkelried]

Originally posted by Sonny


Louis VII put aside his first wife because they had no sons. IIRC it was with the permission of the Pope. Don't think he lost any prestige but only God can tell about the piety points he lost.

His first wife was Eleonore (sp?) of Aquitania. He may not have lost piety but he did lose her land. Later Henry II. married her and Aquitania became English territory.

 

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Yeah, there should be kind of penalty of divorce, maybe having ur children (id u have anybody) rebel against u.