Division composition

[nastydisease]

Daniel didn't seem sure about CA but he said he thought it was in. There doesn't seem to be much mention of CA in the doctrine tree's as far as I've seen.

But, what might this bar be?

 

[Lither]

If it's not Combined Arms, I'd guess Softness

EDIT: IIRC HoI3 had a Combined Arms bonus for getting a certain soft/hard balance, so it could be in

 

[Quendallon]

We got no specific bonus atm no, and its something we are still tweaking stats for.

I also remember one of the devs saying that certain docrines and possibly research give a combined arms bonus to specific combinations I'll see if i can find the quote.

 

[Denkt]

I think the game could be better without a combined arms bonus as each battalion have strength and weakness like artillery can put up a massive amount of firepower but it is expensive and vulnerable to damage. Infantry is cheap but can not provide much firepower and so on.

 

[paranoidsteve]

We got no specific bonus atm no, and its something we are still tweaking stats for.

This quote is from a thread about the combined arms bonus.

 

[Denkt]

I'm gonna say that production cost is very high.

The reason to build artillery is to maximize the amount of firepower you can put on a location. Sure you can build a horde of infantry but few will be able to fire at the enemy while artillery can put up much much more firepower at the same location.

 

[jalapen0]

This quote is from a thread about the combined arms bonus.

I imagine they will get something in there. There should be one but I don't think it should be a large bonus.

 

[RVallant]

curious what others are thinking. Based on the tiny bit we do know, what are your thoughts on division compositions for well, any country? Just for fun.

I will probably not try and 'game' the system, I'll just try and be logical in my own weird way I guess.

So, the bulk of my forces would be infantry, boots on the ground, and they're going to holding and attacking positions, but mobility isn't a priority, so foot infantry with Anti-tank and Artillery, probably recon and most likely AA - hopefully that's useful now. I would use an extensive amount of trucks as per RL, but I sort of wonder if that'll be a crippling fuel drain.

My more attacking/advance forces would be tanks with that repair squad, I forgot what it was called, maintenance division? They'll get the trucks and whatnot with Mot Infantry, Tank destroyers maybe...

If I have templates for it, I'll make a city assault template, which would be INF, Art and Engineers? Probably wouldn't need anything else in there as in theory they'd be attacking an already surrounded city.

 

[kviiri]

So, does anyone know what's the role of brigades (columns in the division designer)? Is one brigade of five infantry battalions somehow different than five battalions with each as their own brigade?

Also, do we have any idea what "Breakthrough" and "Initiative" do?

 

[Sun_Killer]

no the aren´t different but you can only but bats of the same group in a column. Groups are: Infantry(+arty,at,aa) Mot(+SParty,SPAA), Tank(+TD I think, could also be mot)

 

[kviiri]

no the aren´t different but you can only but bats of the same group in a column. Groups are: Infantry(+arty,at,aa) Mot(+SParty,SPAA), Tank(+TD I think, could also be mot)

Thanks Sun_Killer! I guess that means it makes sense to fill brigades to brim before starting a new one for the same unit type group, to avoid wasting slots then.

 

[Sun_Killer]

Yeah that is how I understand it

 

[TheRomanRuler]

Just wondering, is there any difference between 3x4 infantry and 4x3 infantry? Or is it visual only?

 

[tommylotto]

It costs more EXP to open up a new regiment column than is does to just add another battalion to an existing regiment column. So, it will be cheaper EXP-wise to fill up existing regiment columns than to open up a new one. However, there are limits as to what type of units you can put together in the same regiment. You cannot put infantry and tanks in the same regiment, for example. So, if you wanted to add an independent tank battalion to your infantry division, like the US, you would need to expend the extra EXP to open up a whole new regiment column to hold the tank battalion.

 

[Wimpola]

Daniel didn't seem sure about CA but he said he thought it was in. There doesn't seem to be much mention of CA in the doctrine tree's as far as I've seen.

But, what might this bar be?

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That bar is probably a power bar like in the Total War games. This is your mix between armor and infantry or hard and soft units. That's just my thoughts on it.

 

[Shatterfury]

Since those support companies are division wide it might make sense to try to reach the maximum of 25 battalions per division.

My take on the composition is:
18 x inf
2 x AT
1 x AA
4 x Art

As for support companies:
recon
hospital
engineer
signal

I don`t know how will the logistics footprint of this division looks, I`m inclined to say it`s a low but maybe those 7 specialised battalions will drive it up.
If the logistics needed are quite big then the 5th company can be logistics if not I guess AA can be the 5th company and get an extra battalion of infantry.

For Germany I`m also toying with the idea of light panzer divisions just because Germany has a specialisation in their tree that gives further bonuses to tanks.
Light panzers are cheaper and you can field more of them thus a larger part of your army gets to benefit from those bonuses so this by extension means that no heavy tanks will be fielded because they eat so much resources.

Medium panzers will have to be fielded to form the hammer.

Another idea is to field a rather large number light panzers, or maybe tank destroyers, as part of motorised divisions to spread the bonus.

 

[nastydisease]

That bar is probably a power bar like in the Total War games. This is your mix between armor and infantry or hard and soft units. That's just my thoughts on it.

Hardness/softness scale for the entire division I guess. Its not noted anywhere on the stats on the right and definitely needs to be displayed. It would be nice if it had a tooltip that stated a combined arms bonus of some kind tho

 

[tommylotto]

US Armored Division:

ARM, ARM, ARM
MECH, MECH, MECH
SPART, SPART, SPART
REC, ENG, MAINT, MED, SIG

Nice and balanced combined arms. Then you would probably add in a TD battalion and more ART from corps and army assets.

US Infantry:

MOT, MOT, MOT, LART
MOT, MOT, MOT, AT
MOT, MOT, MOT
ART, ART, ART, HART
REC, ENG, MAINT, MED, SIG

Lots of BOOM. Then you add an ARM and/or TD and more ART from corps and army assets
I'd like to see a difference between light, medium and heavy artillery.

British Infantry:

MOT, MOT, MOT
MOT, MOT, MOT
MOT, MOT, MOT, MG
ART, ART, ART, AT, AA
REC, ENG, MAINT, MED, SIG

I'd like to see a Machine Gun battalion that adds more fire power than a normal infantry battalion.

 

[Sun_Killer]

US Armored Division:

ARM, ARM, ARM
MECH, MECH, MECH
SPART, SPART, SPART
REC, ENG, MAINT, MED, SIG

Nice and balanced combined arms. Then you would probably add in a TD battalion and more ART from corps and army assets.

US Infantry:

MOT, MOT, MOT, LART
MOT, MOT, MOT, AT
MOT, MOT, MOT
ART, ART, ART, HART
REC, ENG, MAINT, MED, SIG

Lots of BOOM. Then you add an ARM and/or TD and more ART from corps and army assets
I'd like to see a difference between light, medium and heavy artillery.

British Infantry:

MOT, MOT, MOT
MOT, MOT, MOT
MOT, MOT, MOT, MG
ART, ART, ART, AT, AA
REC, ENG, MAINT, MED, SIG

I'd like to see a Machine Gun battalion that adds more fire power than a normal infantry battalion.

I like the idea with the light, medium and heavy arty, maybe also light and heavy aa the light aa also gives soft attack and the heavy aa gives hard attack and penetration. Maybe no MGBat, instead light,medium and heavy infantry with different soft and hard attack values, equipment needs and also different bonus and malus in terrains

 

[sresk]

Here are the stats for combat artillery in the WWW stream:

• 9 defence
• 3 breakthrough
• 15 soft attack
• 4 hard attack
• Less org then infantry
• 10 HP
• 0.5 weight
• 144 production cost
• 1 combat width
• 500 manpower
• 36 Artillery

Here is for infantry:

• 18 defence
• 4 breakthrough
• 6 soft attack
• 2 hard attack
• 10 HP
• 0.5 weight
• 50 production cost
• 2 combat width
• 1000 manpower
• 100 Infantry equipment

Artillery do take up width but they do so much more effective then infantry as you can use 2 artillery for each infantry you bring into combat. 2 artillery have 30 soft attack while a single infantry have only 6 so artillery can do 5 times as much damage with the same width.
Infantry is nearly 3 times as cheap as artillery and 3 infantry will hold a line much better then a single artillery as well do more damage. But then width become a limitation, then artillery become much more valuable. Also artillery use up far less manpower.

So really with art being only 500 manpower and .5 combat width you almost need to compare the art stats x2 (which likely make the reduced org meaningless) so now it just comes down to "do i have enough production capacity to afford them?"