Divine Wind Advice-Germany

[unmerged(204522)]

i didnt know you could leave the HRE when at war?

 

[brifbates]

i didnt know you could leave the HRE when at war?

Even if you can (which I'm not sure about) I wouldn't recommend that strategy. As soon as you make the first peace deal you open yourself up for the imperial banhammer as you definitely can't remove provinces from the HRE while at war. You will have to deal with the emperor to take any of your MANY cores once you form Germany, and finally, should Denmark (or any other major power) decide to jump you because your 3pm is fighting 10 nations (or more) at once the HRE won't save you. A better approach for The Hansa would be forcing vassalizations and using a mix of annex missions and accepting unlawful territories as you gobble up the minors IMO.

If you want to speed form Germany your best bet is Brandenburg or Bavaria and go force PU happy from the outset (or as soon thereafter as you can). Austria might be better except you would have to move capital and culture shift to saxon which may also involve releasing some of your core territory.

 

[unmerged(34598)]

Thanks for all the advices, it's getting clear now

To know all the options to avoïd/remove this bb malus of -0.25:

- I saw in this post : "...try for a PU. They give the same benefits as a vassalization, plus in the HRE you get cores on inheritance/integration"
How can I get Personal Union CB or peace tribute in on-going wars?

- Will the BB modifiers of -0.25 be automatically removed after the provinces become cored?
If not, I found what seems to be triggers in "HolyRomanEmpire" event : # Unlawfully held province handed over & # Unlawfully held province not handed over. But what value should I slightly modified to get more chance?

 

[unmerged(204522)]

Thanks for all the advices, it's getting clear now

To know all the options to avoïd/remove this bb malus of -0.25:

- I saw in this post : "...try for a PU. They give the same benefits as a vassalization, plus in the HRE you get cores on inheritance/integration"
How can I get Personal Union CB or peace tribute in on-going wars?

- Will the BB modifiers of -0.25 be automatically removed after the provinces become cored?
If not, I found what seems to be triggers in "HolyRomanEmpire" event : # Unlawfully held province handed over & # Unlawfully held province not handed over. But what value should I slightly modified to get more chance?

again, to be clear, you dont get cores when you integrate a PU, only when you inherit.

 

[brifbates]

Thanks for all the advices, it's getting clear now

To know all the options to avoïd/remove this bb malus of -0.25:

- I saw in this post : "...try for a PU. They give the same benefits as a vassalization, plus in the HRE you get cores on inheritance/integration"
How can I get Personal Union CB or peace tribute in on-going wars?

As noted, you only get cores when you inherit, not when integrating. You only get cores in the following circumstances:

1) the province culture is in your primary culture group; or
2) the province is part of the empire and both the nation being inherited and the nation inheriting are member nations of the HRE

You cannot get PU peace conditions in already existing wars. It is only available in wars started using the obscure documents, claim on throne, or restoring the union CBs.

- Will the BB modifiers of -0.25 be automatically removed after the provinces become cored?
If not, I found what seems to be triggers in "HolyRomanEmpire" event : # Unlawfully held province handed over & # Unlawfully held province not handed over. But what value should I slightly modified to get more chance?

The modifier is eliminated immediately (as can be seen by mousing over your infamy and prestige numbers). An event will eventually fire that removes the province modifier from the province.