You should really try to break that habit then.
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Diversity: Overpowered?
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It was made in jest, but that was exactly what "40k-Fanboy-Owls" inferred in the context of that spat. Again, this was a case of spillover, which was why I called it out.. I don't like to see spats pollute unrelated discussions because then it might turn toxic.
I'm sure this was just an isolated instance.
Aww, don't worry, I certainly don't take it personally. Besides, I tend to agree with most of your posts on this forum anyway and find many of them to be helpful. Vehement differences of opinion on one topic won't shade my view on everything else you say.
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There is an alternative of everyone in chains and being lashed all the day. Enslaved aliens.
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He's using it to describe their AI personality, man. They're not that far off from the Imperium.
Enslaved aliens are still aliens.
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You will end up with other aliens either way as long as you don't purge every planet you conquer.
Edit: You are also not cut off from those planets. If you get the right tech you can colonize them, either with your own species or with one of the aliens in your empire.
The aliens might be better suited for that planet, but they have other reasons to be unhappy in a lot of empires and will likely want to become independent first chance they get.
You can also terraform planets to push them more towards the homeworld of your species or the new inhabitants can genetically alter themselves to be more adapted to the new planet.
Diversity can be pretty good, I guess (and rightfully so, a pacifistic xenophile species need some advantages as well), but I don't think it is the only way.
Edit: You are also not cut off from those planets. If you get the right tech you can colonize them, either with your own species or with one of the aliens in your empire.
The aliens might be better suited for that planet, but they have other reasons to be unhappy in a lot of empires and will likely want to become independent first chance they get.
You can also terraform planets to push them more towards the homeworld of your species or the new inhabitants can genetically alter themselves to be more adapted to the new planet.
Diversity can be pretty good, I guess (and rightfully so, a pacifistic xenophile species need some advantages as well), but I don't think it is the only way.
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Yeah well, how would they change that? Just wiping out the populations of whole planets shouldn't be without consequences.
Diversity causes your empire to break into civil wars. I dont think it is too OP.
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We must guard ourselves against the alien elements that would disrupt our society, the influences that would debase our genetic and cultural heritage. The Other is to be held at arm's length, and that arm is to hold a sword.
But if you're seriously committed to it, with the right tech you should be able to brutally genocide all the aliens, then genetically engineer sub-populations of your own species to live natively on their worlds. Probably not efficient, and you'll absolutely need the fanatic xenophobe to make sure your pops don't give a shit about aliens, but should be doable
But if you're seriously committed to it, with the right tech you should be able to brutally genocide all the aliens, then genetically engineer sub-populations of your own species to live natively on their worlds. Probably not efficient, and you'll absolutely need the fanatic xenophobe to make sure your pops don't give a shit about aliens, but should be doable
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Your mind is clearly under the corrupting influence of the Xenos.
If both the genetic modification techs and robot techs are tied to ethics, Xenophobic Spiritualists might actually be screwed.
To give the Germans credit, a lot of the scientists on the Manhattan Project were Austrians or Germans that fled to the Allies, and what was left in Germany, were sabotaging the German nuclear projects to delay the Nazis.
You weren't here for the argument about whether the Stellaris background should be black, purple, pink clouds, or Milky Way sparkly back when we didn't have a release date yet?
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Kicking them out? If their own governments don't want them, that's not my problem, but they can't stay on my planets.
What a coincidence, this is exactly what I want to be.
While technically superior to genocide on a moral and psychological level, ethnic cleansing on a mass scale is not actually significantly easier or cheaper. Quite the opposite really, given a core world is likely to have a population in the billions, at least with orbital weaponry killing that many people is feasible, who the fuck is going to transport them?
Gameplay-wise, if you can manage to a) get open migration treaties with other empires and b) make the alien's lives living hell, then you should see
massive out-migration quite quickly. And rebellions, of course.
I mean, I'm sorry, but there's a level of evil that just becomes suboptimal from a power-politics view. But hey, with zero minority populations, even slaves, such an empire would actually be much more stable than most.
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Well, we all know that 'Sweden Yes' meme, so it make sense to be tolerant in their game, wait for something else if you wish to be xenophobic, or just channel your inner Tankred and endure.
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Paradox is the prime purveyor of thinly veiled genocide simulators on the planet.
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MicroProse did it in 1993, don't forget, you either glassed/virus bombed planets to hell or dropped enough people to kill everyone on the planet.
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Master of Orion's genocides were way too abstract.
POPs in Victoria have jobs, beliefs, political positions and even wallets. I once had a late-game battle (trenches, machineguns and everything) that completely depopulated a whole province in Austria. It was the most disturbing thing I've experienced in a Paradox game. They were just gone - I didn't even realize the game allowed that.
POPs in Victoria have jobs, beliefs, political positions and even wallets. I once had a late-game battle (trenches, machineguns and everything) that completely depopulated a whole province in Austria. It was the most disturbing thing I've experienced in a Paradox game. They were just gone - I didn't even realize the game allowed that.
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I'm pretty sure this is WAD - it only makes sense that some planets are more accessible to certain races, and a homogenous empire that cannot colonize them may be at a disadvantage.
That said, it is not clear how serious this disadvantage is - if you stack adaptability bonuses and claim planets early but do not colonize them until you start to unlock terraforming techs, you may well be able to keep up with other empires. If you get lucky with early terraforming tech, you might actually have an advantage this way - extremely adaptive gives a 20% habitability bonus, and if we assume that terraforming gives ~20% habiitability, it might be possible to just ignore the happiness penalty from having only 40% habitability. This is especially true seeing as slaves would have happiness penalties anyway.
There's also the question of genetic engineering, which was mentioned but has yet to be shown. If it is powerful enough, it might be possible to create variations of your race which prefer different climates, allowing colonization without needing other species (at the risk of modifying some members of your species so much that they might as well be aliens).
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